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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein so Chris O'Brien is on

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special assignment or whatever he calls

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it we've got Michael Allen again and we

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were spending a few minutes acclimating

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Michael to better microphone techniques

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and we told him we warned him here that

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if he doesn't follow those techniques or

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makes too much noise you know like

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typing you see I can type like this is

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both that's because if I type on a real

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text here let me do that

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let me type a real text this is me

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magic key blah that's right now okay

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right that's how I get away with it and

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Nick of course uses a interdimensional

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keyboard interdimensional communication

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device perhaps I don't know something

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like that well also we never hear

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background noise with Nick we always

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wonder about that there's no music blast

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today but I could always change that if

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you want no I think we'll deal with that

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some other lifetime so we have art Bell

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died on Friday the 13th you were on art

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bells show a number of times right you

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were never on coast to coast George

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Noory and George Knapp and Menard eat

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Heather way when she did what was that

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show Midnight's in the desert that had

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some contact in or something but anyway

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no I've never actually been interviewed

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by Bell himself maybe you were too young

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because he retired about 26 times during

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the course of his career and that was

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always weird he'd have some kind of

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I got a retire folks and then a few

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months later he's back

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and any retires again and she well how

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do you know that so exactly 26 he

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retired a few times I think I didn't

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really catalogue it but it seemed like

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it was an endless retirement thing so he

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comes back on Sirius XM satellite radio

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that sounds like a pretty good gig and

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ends up that he quits that for a few

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weeks because of some contract issues

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now let's put Sirius XM in perspective

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when they were really getting big they

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paid Howard Stern 400 million dollars

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400 million dollars you know that was

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more than Rush Limbaugh he was probably

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the number one highest-paid radio

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talk-show host on the planet loose this

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planet I don't wanna get into that

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that's really too ridiculous so you have

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no pity observations to make about art

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bell I guess because you weren't really

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that active in those years when did you

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because I started doing research I guess

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sort of late 80s but bear in mind I I

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didn't move to the US until 2001 and so

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you know I don't know when our bell was

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around in the 90s was he around in the

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nineties during Esha yeah he was

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primarily in the 90s and the early 2000s

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things went well probably why because

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like I said I didn't move to the US

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until 2001 and you know I never listened

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to any of his shows when I was back in

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England I'm not even sure they were

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broadcast back burn unit in the okay

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that's all right I didn't start

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listening to him until I was immersed in

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writing books on technology and my hours

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got to be really weird they were weird

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when I was young but I was a more

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respectable mature person when I was

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working as a writer in the 90s and I

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would be up early to finish a book and I

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turn on the radio and there was art Bell

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you know Richard Hoagland and all these

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let's talk dice here all right the book

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that you came out with recently is

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called the Slender Man mysteries when I

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think of Slender Man I think of a

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superhero it was very thin and he kind

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of sneaks on beneath the windowsills or

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something but that's not obviously what

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Slender Man is it's some kind of urban

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legend can you tell us the origins of

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Slender Man yes well the Slender Man

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phenomenon if you like began in the

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summer of 2009 and it was thanks to a

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contest created by the guys at a website

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called something awful and the idea was

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to see who could come up with the best

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weirdest creepiest creature if you like

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or entity for the pervy Internet era and

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the plan was to sort of you know come up

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with like a modern-day equivalent of

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Michael Myers Freddy Krueger and Jason

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boys all combined into one sort of like

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a modern-day bogeyman kind of thing and

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numerous people entered this contest and

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essentially was sort of you know

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creating artwork and pictures and things

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like that and uploading them to the

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website and seeing who's getting the

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best feedback and you know which

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entities created entities look the

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coolest and the creepiest one of the

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people who took part in this contest was

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a guy named Gary

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Knudsen and Erik Knudsen was the guy who

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came up with the image and the name of

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the Slender Man by his own admission

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Erik Knudsen was inspired by the work of

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HP Lovecraft Stephen King tales of the

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men in black even an obscure MIB type

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story which I'm sure

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gene might have heard of from the 40s

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the mad gasser of Mattoon this sort of

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creepy character roaming around the town

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of Mattoon Illinois in the 1940s or a

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tall thin guy in a black suit so you

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know all these different things these

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different aspects if you like that were

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combined to create this seven to nine

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foot tall faceless creature with

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tentacles coming out of it

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body and a man in black type suit and

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you've got the Slenderman so that's how

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it was created

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but what happened almost immediately was

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that the Slenderman went from being just

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sort of his Internet creation to

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something that thousands of kids and

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teenagers became fixated and obsessed

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with to the extent that within literally

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within days there were sort of forums

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chat rooms there was an online 20-minute

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30-minute episode show called Marble

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Hornets which was like a found footage

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type movie but condense down into short

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episodes and it you know it ran through

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you know dozens and dozens of episodes

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you had Wikipedia pages people posting

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their own artwork of the Slenderman

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their own stories online people creating

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Kindle books on the Slenderman a few

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months after that people then claimed to

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start seeing the Slender Man in the real

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world this idea of thought forms in

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other words the idea enough people focus

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their mind on one particular thing you

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can create like a supernatural

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equivalent of the fictional entity just

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by sort of a hive mindset bringing it to

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reality if you like so is going to be

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like an evil version of the collective

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unconscious then yes like a toll for a

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thought-form you know even go back to

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things like you know the movie Forbidden

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Planet where you know you have dr.

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Morpheus I think and dr. Morbius dr.

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Morbius that's right Morpheus is in the

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matrix dr. Morbius where you know he

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goes into the dream state and suddenly

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the monster imagery of these long dead

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aliens comes to life and starts to

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to take him out so you know this concept

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of thinking things into life is sort of

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wonder you know you can find in a lot of

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digging quite deeply in the book to try

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and you determine or at least explain or

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rationalize

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how something that we know from 100%

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certainty was a fictional Internet

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creation but you know then you have to

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sort of figure out well how the hell has

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he gone from that to being something

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that people are now reporting in the

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real world we've got a lot more to come

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Slenderman mmm that sounds like a good

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subject for a movie too we have Nick

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Redfern all through the book on the

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subject our guest co-host is Michael

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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive power cast things that

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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like small up 2x large a lot good stuff

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the book is the Slenderman mysteries by

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Nick Redfern how an urban legend becomes

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something apparently real but the thing

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I would worry about of course in terms

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of the skeptical approach here Nick is

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even if some people say hey this is real

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as a real phenomenon here how do we know

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they're not pulling our leg well I spoke

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to a lot of people particularly since

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the book was published who planes have

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seen the Slender Man I honestly don't

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think they were hoaxes in or just you

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know crazy but I think a point can be

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made that in some cases you know

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imagination and reality cross since

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sometimes in strange and weird ways and

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particularly when you're in the dream

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state as well where a number of

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witnesses claim to had their experiences

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in the middle of the night so I think

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there's definitely that aspect to it the

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ones that kind of interests me even more

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are where people you know literally

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claims have seen the Slender Man in the

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wards etc or following them late at

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night that kind of thing

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when they're clearly not in that state I

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mean the number of people claims have

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seen the Slender Man and have had their

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lives adversely and dangerously affected

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by the Slender Man phenomenon this is

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pretty large it's one be intriguing but

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also disturbing things about all this is

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but if it is just all some sort of mass

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psychosis it's taken on incredible

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proportions to the point where it's

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literally kind of ruined lives and

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Families

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even if he is which I don't think it is

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baby is just something you know at the

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imagination then there is a massive

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phenomenon still at work well I'd like

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to go back to what you said earlier when

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you were talking about the formation of

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the reality by focusing on him and there

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was a book that I read and I don't ask

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me what the name is I'll have to go

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through the numerous books are on my

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bookshelf but it's basically a book on

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Kabbalah mysticism it's Western

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mysticism it talks about forming the

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thought while you're doing the Western

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meditation aligning your chakras and all

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of this stuff it is very weird but at

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the end it explains a procedure that you

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can go through and it's very much

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something like you'd read out of the

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Golden Dawn where you visualization and

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you form your hands and you could create

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an entity like an angel or who whatever

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it doesn't matter any an intelligent

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entity by repeating this ritual over and

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over again until your mind accepts that

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as something that is externalized and I

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find that extremely fascinating so that

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kind of goes into what you're saying is

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that when you get enough people they

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feed off of each other and they form and

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they somehow in some way externalize the

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reality within their brains into the

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physical environment or at least what

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they think is and it becomes a shared

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experience and I think that is very

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fascinating no I mean that sort of go

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straight down the path but you know I

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think is the right one when you talk

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about the golden dawn and everything I

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mean a lot of this just tie in with some

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of Crowley's early work and sort of

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latter-day stuff into things like chaos

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magic when you kind of look into this

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angle of bringing things to life I mean

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I'll give you two examples one an old

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one a one a relatively new one to

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demonstrate how this doesn't just relate

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to things like the Slenderman one of the

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most sort of famous stories is the store

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a woman named Alexandra David Neil and

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she was kind of like a 19th century

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through 20th century equivalent of

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someone like an Indiana Jones

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you know she traveled around the world

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having all sorts of adventures and

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getting into scrapes etc

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he spent a lot of time in Tibet where

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she learned the concept of Batol / as

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it's known in Buddhist teachings or the

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thought form and she became fascinated

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by this and endeavored on to try and

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create her own thought form and she

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focused on the image of like the Friar

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Tuck character from the Robin Hood

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stories so his like this sort of jolly

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kind of fat monk with a brown kind of

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outfit and a hood and she visualized him

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in a sort of an altered state of mind

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got herself in a trance-like state and

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spent weeks and then months trying to

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visualize and create this entity when it

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started to were she saw this vague

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shadowy figure out of the corner of her

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eye but then as time progressed it

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became more sort of physically if you

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like to the point where she said she

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gradually see it

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everything was fine for a short period

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of time when suddenly something very

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strange and kind of disturbing begins

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that began to happen what that was was

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that this sort of jolly fat friar type

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character begins to began to change what

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happened was that the chubby round face

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became more lean with cheekbones and the

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smile that he had which was kind of a

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jolly smile became more like I guess the

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smile you might have seen like Jack

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Nicholson to him be a shine and

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something like that

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the Chesire Cat in Alice in Wonderland

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what happened from there was that

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something that Alexandre David Neal was

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warned about that when these thought

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forms become more and more powerful they

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become more and more self-aware to the

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point where they are self-aware and they

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fear if you like being deconstructed by

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the Creator so they then turned the

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tables on the Creator to try and kill

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them in an effort to make sure that they

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cannot be you know deconstructed or

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disintegrated so that's one that case

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goes back to the 1930s now and more

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updated one which kind of relates to a

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lot of one issue if you like there's a

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lot of people of an interested sort of

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comic books relate to a famous British

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comic-book writer named Alan Moore now

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Alan Moore to give you an idea of just a

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couple of things he created he created

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the the constant iron character in the

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comic books in the movie of the same

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name the movie with starring Keanu

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Reeves he also created the V for

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Vendetta character which was also also

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became a hit movie

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now Alan law as a comic book writer you

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know when he was putting together the

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character of Constantine who but people

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who don't know in the movie and in the

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comic books he's sort of like a an

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assassin who goes out assassinating

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demons and he visualized how Constantine

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would look now he actually focused on

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the idea of having constant time looked

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like sting from the police so he had

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sort of spiky blond hair kind of been

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etcetera etcetera and he had he was sort

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of like a black outfit and visualized

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him like that even though in the movie

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you know Keanu Reeves looks very

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different but for long time Alan Moore

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was focusing on this image of constant

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time she wanted to get him exactly right

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you know his character his looks

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everything then something really strange

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happened as it did with Alexandra David

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Nail one day Alan Moore and he's gone on

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record with his social stress Alan Moore

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said one day not long after he was sort

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of visualizing Constantine he was

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sitting in a restaurant on the River

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Thames in London England and he saw

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coming right towards him the Constantine

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character that he had seen we will learn

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more about Constantine is he Matt Ryan I

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will tell what that means soon with Gene

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[Laughter]

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is Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

573
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:10,929
calm you're listening to the para cast

574
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,600
I've heard of stuck in overdrive which

575
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:24,159
is ridiculous Nick you're familiar with

576
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:27,580
Matt Ryan right Matt Ryan is a guy who

577
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,880
plays Constantine on TV I think he just

578
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,860
performs some magic on us what do you

579
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:42,159
think real magic

580
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:44,470
you know that was a topic of last week's

581
00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:46,450
episode are we allowed to talk about

582
00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:48,870
last week last week's episode down

583
00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:52,150
briefing briefly well we're not going to

584
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:53,409
talk about it if you're gonna say

585
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:55,480
briefly I just said if I mention

586
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:57,250
something it's kind of interesting they

587
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:58,570
might duck tell them to what we're

588
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:00,130
talking about right now I don't know I

589
00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:03,400
mean we'll see well basically as I said

590
00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:05,799
Alan Moore was focusing on creating this

591
00:28:11,549 --> 00:28:09,100
character of Constantine focusing on him

592
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,559
thinking about it visualizing it and

593
00:28:16,049 --> 00:28:14,320
then one day having lunch on the river

594
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:16,059
in a restaurant and the River Thames in

595
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:19,480
London England he saw what he says was

596
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,450
the Constantine image that he created

597
00:28:26,779 --> 00:28:25,240
and he strode towards him in the

598
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:26,789
restaurant with this sort of

599
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:29,770
conspiratorial slightly menacing smile

600
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:32,049
or grin on its face he didn't know what

601
00:28:37,169 --> 00:28:34,750
to do is almost like frozen and then he

602
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:37,179
walked past him and Alan Moore just did

603
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:39,070
not get up he didn't know what to do so

604
00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:41,049
that's like two perfect examples of

605
00:28:48,539 --> 00:28:44,620
dozens and dozens we're creating

606
00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:48,549
something as a extremely negative effect

607
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:51,280
on the creator whether inadvertently or

608
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,530
deliberately created I talk about all

609
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:54,960
this in the book with a constant time

610
00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:58,210
angle and demonstrate how it can be

611
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,080
paralleled

612
00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:00,880
with what's going on now with the whole

613
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:02,950
Slenderman thing well let me just throw

614
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:05,260
this out there because you mentioned the

615
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,200
grin several times and I keep going back

616
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:10,720
to the fact that if you've ever showed

617
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,270
your teeth to a dog how

618
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:16,480
an animal will respond to it if they

619
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:19,270
don't know you personally and grinning

620
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:21,250
and showing your teeth from an

621
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,910
evolutionary perspective that seems very

622
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:26,320
significant to me and there may be a

623
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:28,150
mechanism there in the collective

624
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:31,510
unconscious that survives for ages that

625
00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:34,210
has come into that experience that human

626
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:36,340
experience and I'm I'm wondering what

627
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:37,750
you think about that because that's what

628
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:39,370
I keep thinking about when you mention

629
00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:41,350
the grant what's interesting you should

630
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:43,300
mention that because you know sort of

631
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:45,820
that kind of creepy grin you know is

632
00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:47,500
something I guess everybody can kind of

633
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:50,230
relate to and you know gee may know that

634
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:52,150
there is this sort of kind of sub

635
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,980
category in the world paranoia that's

636
00:29:58,410 --> 00:29:55,960
known as the grinning man one of the

637
00:30:00,800 --> 00:29:58,420
most famous grinning men was an answer

638
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:00,810
to that surfaced in the Mothman

639
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:05,110
phenomenon of 1966 to 1967 called

640
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:07,210
injuried cold which kind of sounds like

641
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:09,490
some sort of weird Charles Dickens type

642
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:12,310
character but the injuried cold was like

643
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:14,950
this man in black type character with

644
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:17,260
this sinister grin on its face and you

645
00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:19,930
know you can find so many of those you

646
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:22,420
know when a smile is presented in a way

647
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:23,830
where it looks like you're about to be

648
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:26,290
chopped up by an axe that's kind of

649
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:29,440
image is actually quite disturbing you

650
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,110
know a smile which doesn't really look

651
00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:34,720
like a smile was showing your teeth if

652
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:37,780
you do it to a dog the dog will growl at

653
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:40,150
you and I've done it many times to prove

654
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:42,550
to somebody that a dog you know somebody

655
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:44,050
says this dog will never hurt anybody

656
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:47,350
and I pull on my best for lack of better

657
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,310
term whatever eating grin that dog bolts

658
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,650
backwards and you know when you show

659
00:30:57,660 --> 00:30:55,600
your teeth it's like you're showing your

660
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:57,670
weapon from an evolutionary perspective

661
00:31:01,170 --> 00:30:59,290
it makes sense that that would be

662
00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:01,180
something that is stuck in our in our

663
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,470
background in our reptilian brain almost

664
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:07,600
like a primal thing where there are

665
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:10,600
certain things that we all relate to in

666
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:14,140
our subconscious which suddenly at times

667
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:16,690
you know come forward when we don't

668
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:18,670
normally think about them but but it's

669
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:20,590
just something innate within it it's

670
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,850
kind of like you know when were you

671
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:23,710
talking about doves when a female dog

672
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:24,330
gives

673
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:26,610
to the puppies the dog instantly knows

674
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,710
how to look after the dogs and feed them

675
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,539
it's something you know and we all have

676
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,279
that angle in our minds as well of

677
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:34,559
certain things which are archetypes

678
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:36,090
within our minds and our subconscious

679
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:39,419
which are there no matter if it's a 21st

680
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:41,490
century or 10,000 years ago there are

681
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,730
certain things which within our

682
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:45,960
subconscious or our mind are always

683
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:48,210
there and I think that angle like you

684
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,700
say baring your teeth everybody knows

685
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:52,980
what that means and I mean I was reading

686
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,919
a story not too long ago about a tribe

687
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:58,380
in South America that was one of his

688
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:00,659
tribes beasts back in the thirties where

689
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:02,610
they never met anybody from any other

690
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:05,340
culture when they were able to sort of

691
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:08,130
start to speak to them a little bit they

692
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,870
nodded and shook their heads in the same

693
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:11,880
way we did not meaning something good

694
00:32:16,879 --> 00:32:14,190
you know a shake to the side something

695
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:16,889
bad or negative and yet they never met

696
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:19,230
anybody else you know any other tribes

697
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:21,750
any other people but they had the same

698
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,529
kind of approach to things as we do so

699
00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:26,880
ya know I think that's the important

700
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,789
thing you know that sort of primal

701
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:31,260
subconscious thing that affects

702
00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:33,510
everybody in pretty much the same way ya

703
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,549
know it's very interesting to me I made

704
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:38,039
that you see these things and in

705
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,230
different cultures that's how you can

706
00:32:44,299 --> 00:32:42,240
independently verify that what you're

707
00:32:47,539 --> 00:32:44,309
dealing with this is a common has a

708
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,549
common source that is meaningful and not

709
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,380
something that has just passed around

710
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:51,840
like a mean that kind of segues into

711
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:53,549
what I was thinking about the Slenderman

712
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:55,710
thing because it started out as kind of

713
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,710
a joke on something awful and I happen

714
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,659
to know a couple of you know Pierre the

715
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:02,880
people that were on that farm and I know

716
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:05,610
their behavior their whole outlook

717
00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:07,409
they're extremely cynical group of

718
00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:08,909
people they're just going to create

719
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:10,649
something for the purpose of creating

720
00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:12,510
something that self replicates in the

721
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:15,409
humans you know in this social

722
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:18,450
collective psyche but once the group of

723
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:20,490
people get together the question is is

724
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,950
that what is there that's actually real

725
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:24,720
that this been created and one is

726
00:33:30,019 --> 00:33:27,899
probably slipstreaming or connecting

727
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:30,029
with something before that takes on that

728
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,250
form that's what I'm wondering I mean

729
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:35,000
it's it's a fascinating topic

730
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:36,590
I mean when you talk about I mean we're

731
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:37,910
talking about something like kind of

732
00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:40,280
like pre-existed you mean young you have

733
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:42,500
something that somebody creates and they

734
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:44,690
create it because it's already in the

735
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:46,040
background in their collective

736
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:48,290
unconscious but next to something

737
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,230
physically real that maybe if it would

738
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:53,600
have existed you know in the past this

739
00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:54,920
is what we're talking about it is very

740
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:56,060
complicated

741
00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:59,960
that's a good point you bring up because

742
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:02,210
there are or there is good evidence or

743
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:05,000
good data at least to suggest that maybe

744
00:34:09,850 --> 00:34:07,430
the Slenderman we know for sure the name

745
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:09,860
the Slenderman and the specific image of

746
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,020
the faceless face and the tentacles of a

747
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:14,600
suit we know for sure that was created

748
00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:17,960
by Eric Knudsen but in saying that you

749
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:20,419
know you can find sort of very similar

750
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:22,220
things that had different names

751
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:24,889
throughout history I mean in Germany

752
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:27,110
they have one called der Grossmann which

753
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:29,120
has actually been incorporated into the

754
00:34:33,399 --> 00:34:30,919
lot of the fictionalized stories

755
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:33,409
surrounding the Slender Man you can even

756
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:35,780
go back to the centuries-old literally

757
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:38,510
centuries and centuries old folk tale of

758
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:41,210
the Pied Piper of Hamelin which is this

759
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:43,610
sort of story for kids but which is

760
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:45,710
actually quite disturbing and dark where

761
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:48,169
you have this tall thin strange-looking

762
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:50,419
character who comes into the German town

763
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:54,290
of Hamelin and offers to rid the town of

764
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:57,050
all it seemed fair station of rats so he

765
00:35:01,870 --> 00:34:59,930
pulls out this supernatural flute which

766
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,880
when he starts to play to hypnotizes all

767
00:35:05,830 --> 00:35:03,680
the rats they follow him to the river

768
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:05,840
and they're all drowned then the man

769
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:08,660
Hamling refuses to pay the piper

770
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:10,700
the amount of money that he promised him

771
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:13,220
the pipe of his tall skinny figure

772
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:15,320
decides to get his own back and he

773
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,550
starts playing the flute and he

774
00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:18,320
hypnotizes all the children in the town

775
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:20,870
and they follow him into the woods and

776
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:23,030
then they vanish into like a portal into

777
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,890
the side of a mountain that sounds

778
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:27,200
incredibly like a lot of the issues

779
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:29,150
surrounding the Slenderman you've got

780
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:31,700
the tall skinny figure who's dangerous

781
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:34,640
to children who lurks in the woods and

782
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:36,890
hypnotized his children and takes

783
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:38,870
control of them that's very much like

784
00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:41,390
the Slenderman so yeah you can't find

785
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:43,820
these archetypes or ancient archetypes

786
00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:46,040
for example Native American law they

787
00:35:52,059 --> 00:35:47,869
have one known as walking Sam

788
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:52,069
again as a repressed tall skinny figure

789
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,230
so again that imagery may be sort of

790
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:56,720
embedded in our subconscious and

791
00:36:02,259 --> 00:35:59,690
possibly Eric Knudsen we know he created

792
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:02,269
the Slenderman but how much of it is

793
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:05,569
sort of developed from imagination or

794
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,609
how much is developed from you know your

795
00:36:13,059 --> 00:36:09,680
subconscious but in an unknowing way

796
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:13,069
indeed when you look at the being itself

797
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,740
you know I'm looking at the cover of the

798
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:17,599
book you see faceless man with these

799
00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:20,359
tentacles and these arms and I wonder

800
00:36:25,509 --> 00:36:23,329
can you test your theory about whether

801
00:36:27,999 --> 00:36:25,519
or not this is a physical or a psychic

802
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:28,009
phenomenon by just simply looking at the

803
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:30,380
fact that the individual or the being in

804
00:36:35,009 --> 00:36:33,170
question homological II does it make

805
00:36:38,769 --> 00:36:35,019
sense from an evolutionary perspective

806
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:38,779
more to come it's Nick and Michael named

807
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:52,539
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nobody on this planet will match Nick

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Redfern yeah that's correct because he

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calls to stackoverflow in my brain which

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i think is the magical ability P call

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we're Memorex you may continue sir we'll

906
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go back to the homology that the

907
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creatures involved I mean like for

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instance when you look at him it's a

909
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cross between a it's like a cross

910
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:50,970
between a human and a horse as a centaur

911
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:53,190
and when you look at that there's no

912
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,550
creature in evolutionary lineage that

913
00:42:01,340 --> 00:41:58,680
ever looked like that or ever had that

914
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:01,350
bone structure in order words you'd have

915
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,810
to do some if you look at every creature

916
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:05,760
and the homology is by the way of

917
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:08,869
extremely interesting branch of zoology

918
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,369
and it's something that I think that

919
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every Kryptos do all just pay attention

920
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:16,110
to because I think it gives you hints as

921
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:17,850
to whether or not something that you're

922
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:20,070
looking at is something that is a

923
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:22,910
created as a as a kind of a psychic

924
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,710
confabulation or a created reality

925
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,020
that's externalized a versus something

926
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:31,200
that in prosaic terms is something that

927
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:33,570
could exist and you know you think about

928
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:36,330
you think about the number of body forms

929
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:39,330
that have evolved over the centuries in

930
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,609
the millennia and millions of years and

931
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:43,859
how each leads to the next

932
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,840
you know like for instance the horse the

933
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,119
horse actually has a thumb it's a little

934
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,880
knob that goes up way up on I don't know

935
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:52,859
if you've ever looked at a horse but it

936
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:56,130
has a thumb but it's a knob okay and

937
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,490
it's hoof is what corresponds to the

938
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:02,640
middle finger of a human being and I

939
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,609
mean this is the science of homology and

940
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:08,280
evolutionary theory and so you know you

941
00:43:13,099 --> 00:43:10,770
look at a bat swing you you see there

942
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are five appendages on each wing you see

943
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:16,410
the thumb you see the same kind of the

944
00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:18,150
metacarpal but it's lengthened

945
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,580
everything is according to what you

946
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would and you could take and you could

947
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continuously deform in the same way you

948
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would continuously deform a coffee cup

949
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into a you know a donut right because

950
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:35,430
they're topologically equivalent and in

951
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:38,930
the same way you can deform a bats

952
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skeletal structure into a human being by

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00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:45,540
shortening or lengthening or whatever of

954
00:43:50,890 --> 00:43:48,390
the different skeletal element and I

955
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:50,900
wonder because I know I know

956
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:54,540
cryptozoologists are interested in these

957
00:43:58,940 --> 00:43:57,210
different forms and whether or not

958
00:44:01,900 --> 00:43:58,950
they're physical or they're something

959
00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:01,910
that comes out of human imagination I

960
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:05,060
mean what do you think about that well

961
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:07,950
case could be made that I mean a lot of

962
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things you know within the field of

963
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,490
cryptozoology and different phenomena

964
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:14,400
could be thoughtful if you look at Lake

965
00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:16,350
Monsters you find stories of Lake

966
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:18,120
Monsters all around the world I mean

967
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,710
certainly the most famous ones are like

968
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Nessie and Ogopogo and champ and things

969
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:25,980
like this but if you think about it when

970
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:28,290
he's sort of he going to the ocean for a

971
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:30,690
swim or whatever he doesn't you know you

972
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so you just go on vacation somewhere

973
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:34,980
swimming in the ocean there's a part of

974
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:36,390
you thinks that well you know I can't

975
00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:37,800
city's water - well I wonder what's down

976
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:40,080
there and kind of like you've got a

977
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,210
spooky looking lake surrounded by

978
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mountains and forests and crumbled old

979
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:47,430
castles and you look out at the lake and

980
00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:49,740
you think I wonder what's lurking in

981
00:44:54,110 --> 00:44:51,840
there so in other words I sometimes

982
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,120
wonder if lake monsters you know this

983
00:44:58,580 --> 00:44:56,640
good lake monster this angle of the

984
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:58,590
human mind thinking you know this is

985
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,540
creepy looking like and the fogs coming

986
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,480
over what you know and it's 200 feet

987
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:05,280
deep what's lurking down there

988
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,490
I do sometimes wonder if because we

989
00:45:12,590 --> 00:45:10,410
never catch any of these lake monsters

990
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:12,600
we never get solid evidence well maybe

991
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:16,350
it's just the human mind the sort of the

992
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:18,810
injury the fear of what's lurking in the

993
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,650
deaths may actually create archetypal

994
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:25,200
lake monsters and then of course when

995
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:27,510
the ball starts rolling and you've got

996
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,150
four or five very famous ones people

997
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,640
then start to think or they wonder

998
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:34,500
what's in their local lake and somebody

999
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:36,090
else thinks what's in their local lake

1000
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:38,280
around the world and I could easily see

1001
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:40,650
how it would become like a almost like

1002
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:42,810
an infection you know just spreading far

1003
00:45:45,609 --> 00:45:45,360
and wide well it's like you said in when

1004
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,619
you

1005
00:45:51,549 --> 00:45:47,359
last episode to me the Loch Ness monster

1006
00:45:54,819 --> 00:45:51,559
is not just one form its many forms I

1007
00:45:58,509 --> 00:45:54,829
mean in one form it was like a what like

1008
00:46:01,299 --> 00:45:58,519
a frog sitting on a shelf and another

1009
00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:01,309
form in other words you go back in time

1010
00:46:06,339 --> 00:46:03,380
and you look at you see different forms

1011
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:06,349
but that's the same environmental

1012
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:08,690
situation and I thought that was

1013
00:46:14,109 --> 00:46:11,470
fascinating that you brought that out

1014
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:14,119
again as well that none other than

1015
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:16,130
Aleister Crowley actually had a house

1016
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:18,140
almost on the shores of Loch Ness called

1017
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:19,940
burlesque in house you know he was

1018
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:22,430
involved in any sort yes he's called

1019
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:23,900
burlesque in house he lived there for a

1020
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,900
number of years and burned down in 2016

1021
00:46:31,859 --> 00:46:29,210
but yeah I mean he was involved in all

1022
00:46:35,499 --> 00:46:31,869
sorts of rites and rituals at Loch Ness

1023
00:46:38,289 --> 00:46:35,509
before the sudden wave began in 1933

1024
00:46:41,499 --> 00:46:38,299
so you know I think that's an important

1025
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:41,509
point to make you know when you're

1026
00:46:47,499 --> 00:46:44,420
looking at again you know this idea or

1027
00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:47,509
this angle of how many of these strange

1028
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:50,900
phenomena might actually be in existence

1029
00:46:56,049 --> 00:46:53,660
because we in a strange way willed them

1030
00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:56,059
into existence I mean if you look at for

1031
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:00,940
example the Slender Man imagery that but

1032
00:47:05,799 --> 00:47:03,710
Eric Knudsen himself creates it I mean

1033
00:47:10,299 --> 00:47:05,809
by his own admission he was actually

1034
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:10,309
quite inspired by the works of HP

1035
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:12,380
Lovecraft now I would be at all

1036
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,140
surprised if part of the imagery of the

1037
00:47:19,749 --> 00:47:16,880
Slender Man that came from Lovecraft was

1038
00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:19,759
the tentacles you know because Lovecraft

1039
00:47:24,819 --> 00:47:22,599
created all these sort of tentacle base

1040
00:47:27,789 --> 00:47:24,829
water-based monsters you know like

1041
00:47:30,729 --> 00:47:27,799
Cthulhu and by all accounts Lovecraft

1042
00:47:34,269 --> 00:47:30,739
had sort of a almost like an obsessive

1043
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:34,279
hatred or fear of you know he's got

1044
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:37,369
octopuses and things like that and also

1045
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:40,910
HP Lovecraft would talk about how in his

1046
00:47:44,859 --> 00:47:43,369
quite vivid dreams he would encounter

1047
00:47:47,289 --> 00:47:44,869
these creatures he called the

1048
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:47,299
night-gaunts which would sort of take

1049
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:49,130
him high into the sky and then drop him

1050
00:47:53,259 --> 00:47:51,109
to the ground in his dreams but they

1051
00:47:55,329 --> 00:47:53,269
didn't have faces so I'm pretty sure

1052
00:47:57,849 --> 00:47:55,339
that's where he got the faceless angle

1053
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:57,859
of the Slender Man from but what's

1054
00:48:03,230 --> 00:47:58,770
interesting

1055
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:03,240
is that by Lovecraft's own admission a

1056
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,100
lot of the creatures and entities in

1057
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:07,680
ancient cities and ancient civilizations

1058
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,170
that he incorporated into his stories he

1059
00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:12,420
said he saw envisaged all this in his

1060
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:14,790
dreams and his nightmares and he just

1061
00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:17,340
put it down to having very visual dreams

1062
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:18,830
but you know there's a school of thought

1063
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,020
today that thinks that Lovecraft may

1064
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,540
have been actually actually traveling

1065
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:27,000
and creating these things out of the

1066
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:29,250
power of his mind if you like by

1067
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,490
actually seeing in an altered state real

1068
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:35,520
realms beyond ours but then focusing

1069
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:38,040
them so deeply that he started to create

1070
00:48:42,350 --> 00:48:40,290
real world equivalence of them and a

1071
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:42,360
good example of this the night-gaunts

1072
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,300
these faceless creatures that he claimed

1073
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:47,880
to have seen in his dream state well if

1074
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:51,180
he was so inspired by them and came to

1075
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:53,670
believe in them you'd expect somebody

1076
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:55,230
else would see them and somebody else

1077
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,210
actually did namely his mother his

1078
00:49:02,570 --> 00:48:59,160
mother said that she saw them on several

1079
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,580
occasions in a totally waking everyday

1080
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:05,280
state as if Lovecraft had dreamed about

1081
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,470
them and then was so obsessed with them

1082
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,760
created them in the real world to the

1083
00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:13,560
point where his mother on several

1084
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:15,840
occasions able to see them so you know

1085
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:18,030
you look at all these angles the ties

1086
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,010
between the Slender Man and the

1087
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:22,740
Lovecraft angle and the dreams coming to

1088
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,280
life and then the whole angle of light

1089
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:29,280
for example Crowley working at Loch Ness

1090
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:31,730
and potentially you know creating

1091
00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:35,400
directly or indirectly like monsters you

1092
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:38,340
can easily see how some of our weirder

1093
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:41,190
creatures and monsters spilling over

1094
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:42,780
into the world of things like chaos

1095
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,410
magic could actually create something of

1096
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:48,660
a highly dangerous nature and that the

1097
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:51,380
Slender Man may be sort of the

1098
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:55,440
definitive modern-day equivalent of what

1099
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,740
Lovecraft was doing and what Alexandre

1100
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:00,480
David Neal was doing as well but this

1101
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,970
one has a big difference because it has

1102
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:05,460
an incredible following of literally

1103
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:08,940
tens and tens of thousands he also had

1104
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:11,490
to throw in Medusa I mean that was the

1105
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,960
SiC an occult multi the thing that would

1106
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:18,720
terrify people and I like what you said

1107
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:20,310
you know you said that you know what

1108
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,190
what if these entities are terrifying

1109
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:25,200
people in order to suck the energy out

1110
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:27,110
of them you know because they get there

1111
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,750
you get your adrenaline going up and and

1112
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,520
somehow they feed off of that and I

1113
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,140
thought that was interesting that

1114
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:35,940
there's something terrifying in the

1115
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:38,880
human psyche about tentacles about

1116
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multiple appendages spiders

1117
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arachnophobia where you have multiple

1118
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you mean you don't you wire spiders so

1119
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scary to people it's because they have

1120
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,420
so many arms and they're unpredictable

1121
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:53,700
we're unpredictable too you'll see this

1122
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Armand we've got Nick Redfern the book

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1181
00:54:04,120 --> 00:53:59,849
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1183
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:13,500
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1184
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:16,890
is in rare form today yeah that was

1185
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:19,770
longer than the last one mmm brain

1186
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:24,150
damage that's what it is one of the

1187
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,190
interesting things I was just pulling

1188
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:28,440
out one of Jung's boxes by the way I

1189
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:31,740
love CG Jung and I'm his arc types of

1190
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,420
the collective consciousness and I went

1191
00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:36,180
to the index for a shapeshifter

1192
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,369
which I know is not really the topic of

1193
00:54:42,819 --> 00:54:41,099
this discussion but it was interesting

1194
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,829
there was a there was an entry on

1195
00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:45,839
shape-changing figures dimensions

1196
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:49,560
it's the chapters called this on the

1197
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:52,380
psychology of the trickster figure I

1198
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,520
read too much you know what this guy on

1199
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:58,400
the psychology of the trickster figure

1200
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:00,690
what do I think about it he'll be had

1201
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:03,270
I'm asking you what you think because I

1202
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:06,630
mean this guy he talks about and I quote

1203
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:09,180
a curious combination of typical

1204
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:11,250
trickster motives can be found in the

1205
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:14,520
alchemical figure Mercurius for instance

1206
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:17,430
his his fondness for sly jokes and

1207
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,650
malicious pranks his powers as a

1208
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:20,640
shapeshifter

1209
00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:23,640
his dual nature half animal half divine

1210
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,430
his exposure to all kinds of tortures

1211
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,000
and last but not least his approximation

1212
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:34,079
to the figure of a savior hmm that's

1213
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,089
quite well yeah I mean the whole kind of

1214
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:37,920
trickster angle is an interesting one

1215
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:39,630
you know the idea of these sort of

1216
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:43,440
manipulatives entities that sort of play

1217
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,170
pranks on us you know it starts as sort

1218
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,880
of playing pranks sometimes you know it

1219
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,040
can be quite dangerous and manipulative

1220
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:53,280
to where people find themselves obsessed

1221
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:54,990
with certain things because they're

1222
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:57,450
being driven by some sort of

1223
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:00,270
manipulative entity and sort of it's

1224
00:56:05,059 --> 00:56:03,960
like a warped humor sometimes and I mean

1225
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:05,069
one of the things I would say in

1226
00:56:09,370 --> 00:56:06,440
relation to

1227
00:56:12,279 --> 00:56:09,380
the Slenderman phenomenon is that there

1228
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:12,289
is no doubt whatsoever the significant

1229
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:14,900
number of people who get interested in

1230
00:56:19,269 --> 00:56:16,730
the Slender Man phenomenon don't just

1231
00:56:21,819 --> 00:56:19,279
stay interested they become obsessed and

1232
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:21,829
they start to have weird synchronicities

1233
00:56:26,109 --> 00:56:23,690
I talked about this in the book with

1234
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:26,119
wink though synchronicities and Slender

1235
00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:27,740
Man you know they start to get these

1236
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,260
weird synchronicities which draws them

1237
00:56:35,710 --> 00:56:33,440
in even further they start have weird

1238
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:35,720
dreams about the Slender Man they start

1239
00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:37,640
to lose the grip on the difference

1240
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,279
between reality and the dream state and

1241
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,559
fiction and imagination they all kind of

1242
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:45,200
blend into one and the trickster then

1243
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:47,539
you know begins to manipulate them more

1244
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:49,010
and more like a little puppet on a

1245
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:52,670
string and I think while there is this

1246
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:56,000
sort of playful mischievous angle of the

1247
00:57:01,539 --> 00:56:58,250
trickster there's actually quite a

1248
00:57:03,579 --> 00:57:01,549
dangerous and disturbing aspect to the

1249
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:03,589
way in which people's lives have been

1250
00:57:08,259 --> 00:57:06,200
ruined because they're being sort of

1251
00:57:10,779 --> 00:57:08,269
reeled in by this trickster that is

1252
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:10,789
doing enough to catch their attention

1253
00:57:16,359 --> 00:57:14,420
but not enough to where they're not you

1254
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:16,369
know they can leave it alone to such an

1255
00:57:19,779 --> 00:57:18,410
extent that they just they become

1256
00:57:21,789 --> 00:57:19,789
obsessed and that's what we're seeing

1257
00:57:24,759 --> 00:57:21,799
now and I think you know that be

1258
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:24,769
trickster angle is a perfect example of

1259
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:28,430
how people's minds are sort of affected

1260
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:31,609
and they become obsessed and they they

1261
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:34,940
cannot leave it alone and it is just

1262
00:57:40,029 --> 00:57:37,130
really like a kind of like a silica

1263
00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:40,039
magnet and he rarely ever ends in a

1264
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:42,140
positive fashion really either it ends

1265
00:57:46,259 --> 00:57:44,569
in disaster and tragedy or the person

1266
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,269
just lives their life you know just

1267
00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:48,799
chronicling image and all the weird

1268
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:51,470
stuff that happened every day yeah no I

1269
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,250
mean I'm reading one of the states say

1270
00:57:59,620 --> 00:57:56,720
in May 2014

1271
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,630
two young Milwaukee girls almost killed

1272
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,480
a friend in the name of Slenderman yeah

1273
00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:04,160
and then you know that's a that's an

1274
00:58:08,259 --> 00:58:05,990
example of what you're talking about and

1275
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:08,269
that gets back to the dual nature half

1276
00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:11,210
human half divine you've got the animal

1277
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:13,940
nature and the half you know the human

1278
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,490
nature combining in one being and

1279
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,760
somehow by by externalized

1280
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:22,160
these forms of thought into a Tulpa

1281
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:24,650
which is what you're talking about

1282
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:29,119
the form becomes a kind of theater where

1283
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:31,550
you can act out you know those those

1284
00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:35,210
primal primal instinct you know in a way

1285
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:37,840
that is that is that is acceptable

1286
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:40,490
socially and you know or mildly

1287
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:42,590
associated it's socially because it's

1288
00:58:47,740 --> 00:58:44,990
not social it's not socially acceptable

1289
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:47,750
to go and murder a bunch of people but

1290
00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:50,450
but in a way it's because it's it's

1291
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:53,480
humanized in that form it becomes a

1292
00:58:58,090 --> 00:58:55,250
reality and the being and the people

1293
00:59:01,020 --> 00:58:58,100
that that meditate or think about it I

1294
00:59:03,310 --> 00:59:01,030
think that's a really fascinating

1295
00:59:04,810 --> 00:59:03,320
conclude I mean there's something that I

1296
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:04,820
would think that would be a very

1297
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:09,460
disturbing and you know stunning more

1298
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:11,630
well you're right I mean it's good that

1299
00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:13,550
you know you bring up the case of the

1300
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:15,500
two girls because more than anything

1301
00:59:23,290 --> 00:59:19,010
else I mean that attack occurred in 2014

1302
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:23,300
may 2014 but the actual slender and

1303
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:25,730
phenomenon began in 2009 so for five

1304
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:27,950
years yes it was a great deal of

1305
00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:30,800
attention and obsession and you know the

1306
00:59:36,070 --> 00:59:33,020
top wrangle being discussed it was

1307
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:36,080
actually pretty much just in that sort

1308
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:38,540
of large and large environment you know

1309
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,850
so in the thousands but outside of that

1310
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:43,040
community very few people knew about it

1311
00:59:48,730 --> 00:59:46,730
that all changed in 2014 now what a lot

1312
00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:48,740
of people don't know and it never came

1313
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:51,260
up in the the whole issue of the core

1314
00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:53,330
case or anything like that well I'll

1315
00:59:55,810 --> 00:59:55,070
take the store the attack first and then

1316
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:55,820
jump back

1317
01:00:02,410 --> 00:59:59,210
it was Saturday May the 31st during the

1318
01:00:04,570 --> 01:00:02,420
day when two friends attacked one of

1319
01:00:06,340 --> 01:00:04,580
their previous friends there were two

1320
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:06,350
girls that did the attack and nice aware

1321
01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:08,780
the Morgan gazer and the girl who

1322
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:10,460
attacked was at-at was named Payton

1323
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:12,260
leutner and all three of the went to

1324
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:13,640
school together

1325
01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:16,100
and lived in the city of Waukesha

1326
01:00:22,859 --> 01:00:18,830
Wisconsin and walk is actually a small

1327
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:22,869
city it's a suburb of Milwaukee and

1328
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,190
everything was fine the night before the

1329
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:27,440
two of three girls kills me had sort of

1330
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:28,670
sleepover it's one of the girls

1331
01:00:33,019 --> 01:00:30,770
birthdays and everything was fine you

1332
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:33,029
know the next day

1333
01:00:39,259 --> 01:00:36,329
the two girls lured Payton leutner into

1334
01:00:44,289 --> 01:00:39,269
the wooded area of the local park in

1335
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,299
town and Morgan stabbed Payton 19 times

1336
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:47,339
and it was you no wonder a miracle

1337
01:00:51,259 --> 01:00:48,900
almost you know that she didn't die

1338
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:51,269
because several of the wounds were very

1339
01:00:58,009 --> 01:00:55,130
close to major arteries and organs and

1340
01:00:59,539 --> 01:00:58,019
he wasn't long before the police caught

1341
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,549
up with them they actually fled the

1342
01:01:05,479 --> 01:01:01,920
scene assuming that Payton was going to

1343
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,489
die fortunately she didn't a guy on his

1344
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:08,160
bike coming passed on in the park saw

1345
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,170
her and you know the ambulance and the

1346
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:12,660
emergency services were soon on the

1347
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scene and she's now made a great you

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know a full recovery

1349
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the two girls basically were headed off

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to an area of woodland outside of town

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where they believe the Slenderman had

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this sort of creepy mansion and they

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were going to live with him as their

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proxy as that's how they worded it and

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they believe that by essentially

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sacrificing their former friend that

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they would be able to live with him now

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this was not you know a ploy to get off

1359
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on an insanity plea if you like they

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fully believed in the existence of the

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Slender Man today a point where you know

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whenever you see any of the police

1363
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footage which you can actually see

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online you know they were talking about

1365
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matters matter-of-factly oh yeah you

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know this is where he lives this is what

1367
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he looks like he can read minds he does

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this he does that and it was almost like

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their minds are detached you know from

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reality and just recently you know the

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the court basically sort of came up with

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the you know the results of what it was

1373
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going to be and they you know they

1374
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weren't sent to prison but they are

1375
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basically you know behind closed doors

1376
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until they'll be well into middle age

1377
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but what's really interesting and I'm

1378
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not actually seeing this written about

1379
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before and I think most people don't

1380
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know I made coverage of it in the book

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quite extensively the very night before

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the attack the attack was made the 31st

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other night at the 30th Dave Schrader

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was doing a guest host on coast to coast

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and the whole angle of the show was sort

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of ghosts and

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thought-forms and toppers an extensive

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time was given to this angle of the

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Slenderman being a thought-form

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so you have thousands of people

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the Slenderman being a thought-form and

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you know the more people that listen

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more people that buy into it the

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stronger that Slenderman gets and then

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what do we get less than 12 hours later

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we have the most notorious aspect of the

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Slenderman phenomena and this attack on

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this young girl just hours after those

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cast is's but I don't know I may have

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broken an FCC rule there well I have to

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ladies and gentlemen what happens with

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the power cast and all GCN shows is that

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they go through a seven second delay so

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gonna be censored I have no idea what I

1520
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was talking about earlier but I think I

1521
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was this excuse you're having here a

1522
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stack overflow you have been infiltrated

1523
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by some kind of nano BOTS alright so

1524
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here's the thing I don't remember most

1525
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of what I'm talking about like from one

1526
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minute to the next it's kind of a weird

1527
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thing of mine just say they have to deal

1528
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with me at work they have to remind me

1529
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like there were five seconds what we're

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talking about so anyways I think we were

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talking about she's somebody remind me

1532
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please

1533
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the KU girls and they attack yes yes

1534
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that's right and thank you Nick well no

1535
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I mean I mean the thing about it is is

1536
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that you know you look at that and you

1537
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see you know I see two people I see

1538
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there in the name of the Slenderman you

1539
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know and say it's like this that's just

1540
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this is a real entity for them that this

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is something that it's it's like John

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titter John Taylor was the John time

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traveler who posted a bunch of you know

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bogus

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and then people started believing them

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and they started becoming real to them

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and I actually have a personal friend of

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mine one of my best friends who actually

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bought into the story and it became real

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and and there's something to that

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there's something to the fact that when

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somebody accepts something that is in

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reality it becomes a part of their

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environment

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it comes out in places where they

1556
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wouldn't expect and you know you have

1557
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these episodes of synchronicity you have

1558
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these episodes of nice and what I would

1559
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call non sequiturs which are things that

1560
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happen in your reality that don't quite

1561
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match what you normally feel in that

1562
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same situation I mean the brain is a

1563
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really amazing pattern-recognition you

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know computer and when it sees something

1565
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out of place it's almost as if it's

1566
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almost as if and I want to I want to

1567
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throw this out here but it's almost as

1568
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if our eyes are closed to the greater

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reality of the universe and when

1570
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something comes in that suggests

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something that might be close to

1572
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something that's real it's like suddenly

1573
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our reality envelope expands you know

1574
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what I mean well yeah I think you can

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find that within the Slenderman

1576
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phenomenon you know the whole issue of

1577
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reality not seriously what it really is

1578
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you know the idea of things coming to

1579
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creation when they never really existed

1580
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in the first place you know and have a

1581
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human mind feeds into all this I mean

1582
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I'll give you another sort of weird

1583
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angle again which was not covered by the

1584
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court when the two girls you know which

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icons of course and granted you know the

1586
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courts not a place to any court he's not

1587
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the place really to debate you know the

1588
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merits of the paranormal or not but

1589
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against something which I again I don't

1590
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think anybody where the prosecution or

1591
01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:50,630
the defense knew about this but in 1921

1592
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the body of a young boy was found in a

1593
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pool in Waukesha at the same town where

1594
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the the girls launched their attack in

1595
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:02,510
2014 now the little boy unfortunately

1596
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:04,190
you know who's never identified but he

1597
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was known by the local police and as the

1598
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:10,440
the press when the story broke there's

1599
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:12,450
little lord fauntleroy which is taken

1600
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from the story of this little boy who

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lives in a rich family and rich clothes

1602
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:20,100
and whatever and they called him by that

1603
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:22,200
name when the body was found because he

1604
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was wearing expensive clothes and they

1605
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:27,390
never did identify him but a psychic

1606
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looked looked into this and said that

1607
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she saw the body of the boy being

1608
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carried through the woods by this tall

1609
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thin man in a black suit now bear in

1610
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:39,510
mind that you know when the boy was was

1611
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,780
murdered this was 1921 this was just a

1612
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:45,060
couple of miles from where the girls

1613
01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:47,820
launched the attack in 2014 now one of

1614
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:49,350
the people I interviewed for the book

1615
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,410
was a guy named Mike Huberty and Mike

1616
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:55,020
had his own encounter with a tall skinny

1617
01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:00,480
dark figure in in the woods in 1994 just

1618
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,070
a couple of miles from where the girls

1619
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:04,560
again launched the attack so what we

1620
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:08,160
have is we know that the two girls were

1621
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:10,170
affected by the Slenderman phenomenon

1622
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:12,450
but what we've got is stories going back

1623
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:16,790
to 1921 1995 of creatures or entities

1624
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,890
eerily similar to the Slenderman but

1625
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:21,780
which existed long before the name

1626
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:24,750
Slenderman was created almost within

1627
01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:28,140
spitting distance if you like of where

1628
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:30,180
the girls launched their attacks so you

1629
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:32,490
know you've got some really weird stuff

1630
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:35,460
going on which has inevitably led some

1631
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:37,830
people to think that the girls you know

1632
01:13:44,030 --> 01:13:42,060
weren't personally responsible if you

1633
01:13:46,670 --> 01:13:44,040
like that the responsibility was

1634
01:13:49,570 --> 01:13:46,680
actually more supernatural based than it

1635
01:13:51,890 --> 01:13:49,580
was you know evil or just due to a

1636
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:51,900
glitch in the mind you know

1637
01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:54,420
well imagine imagine somebody having to

1638
01:14:00,800 --> 01:13:58,860
explain that in that recipient in the

1639
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,810
terms that you just you've just

1640
01:14:05,890 --> 01:14:02,760
mentioned them and you're talking about

1641
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:05,900
something that spans time and space in

1642
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:08,970
time I think it's more important to

1643
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:11,850
mention of this is that how do you

1644
01:14:18,410 --> 01:14:15,330
explain that to somebody who you know in

1645
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,420
other words at some point the human

1646
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:21,840
brain with its current 21st

1647
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:24,120
a physical istic ontology is just gonna

1648
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:26,850
give up it's just gonna say you know

1649
01:14:31,460 --> 01:14:29,880
what this doesn't make sense and I'm

1650
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:31,470
going to throw it out but then when you

1651
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,290
start to look at it use you look at that

1652
01:14:40,190 --> 01:14:36,960
I guess what I'm trying to say is that

1653
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:40,200
we don't have a real good model of

1654
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:44,310
reality that encompasses what we're

1655
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:47,310
dealing with here it is almost as if

1656
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:51,060
we're blind to something and it's it's

1657
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:53,580
really fascinating to me and I think you

1658
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,730
by the way I'm I have it I plan on

1659
01:15:00,620 --> 01:14:58,320
reading some of your works because I've

1660
01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:00,630
I've been as I've been listening to you

1661
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:03,300
your collector of stories and you don't

1662
01:15:08,900 --> 01:15:06,210
accept or you don't make hypotheses you

1663
01:15:10,730 --> 01:15:08,910
just present them and you draw

1664
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:10,740
connections between them and I think

1665
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:15,270
more people need to do that you know I

1666
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,340
get a lot of accounts given to me if

1667
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:18,960
people are happy with the stories being

1668
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:21,390
used you know I'm always grateful to

1669
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:23,850
that but you know like you said I relate

1670
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,040
the stories and then I I do give my

1671
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,800
opinion on them but I always stress to

1672
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:30,960
people that it is my opinion I think the

1673
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:33,570
worst thing you can do is sort of write

1674
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:35,610
a book and be the clear loser like a

1675
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:37,530
preacher banging on the pulpit saying

1676
01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:40,140
you don't do this you will burn in hell

1677
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:45,260
you know the approach of telling people

1678
01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:48,600
that your view of things is the correct

1679
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:50,550
one is there's nothing wrong with

1680
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:53,550
presenting your opinion but if you start

1681
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:55,770
telling people that this is the correct

1682
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:57,930
answer and you know for sure that's a

1683
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,940
dangerous path to go to but you know

1684
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,560
that's almost like you know these cult

1685
01:16:06,170 --> 01:16:03,840
leaders who have their you know the cult

1686
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:06,180
followers just hanging on every word

1687
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:08,610
that's a dangerous and manipulative

1688
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:11,580
approach to take so that's why sometimes

1689
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,100
people accused me of friend sitting but

1690
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:15,840
I'm actually not I'm being honest enough

1691
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:18,090
to say well he could be this or it could

1692
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:20,370
be that but I think the evidence goes

1693
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:23,610
down this path we have nicked gene and

1694
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:39,270
[Music]

1695
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:43,160
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1696
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1697
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1707
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1711
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1712
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1713
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1717
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1718
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1719
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1720
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1721
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1722
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1723
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1724
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1725
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1726
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,550
of people each year maybe you're one of

1727
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the many who suffer from issues related

1728
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to angina pain high blood pressure

1729
01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:59,429
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1730
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:01,380
cholesterol irregular heartbeat or

1731
01:18:04,820 --> 01:18:03,090
clogged arteries there is a solution

1732
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:04,830
that doesn't involve expensive

1733
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:06,780
prescription drugs that only mask the

1734
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,730
problem and leave you with horrible side

1735
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,560
effects if you are ready to live your

1736
01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:13,320
life free of sickness pain and fear live

1737
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:15,750
your life with increased vitality energy

1738
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:17,880
and youthfulness and experience your

1739
01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:20,070
body healing itself then you're ready

1740
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:22,140
for heart and body extract from healthy

1741
01:18:39,919 --> 01:18:23,550
hearts club act here is what one

1742
01:18:41,540 --> 01:18:39,929
satisfied customer had to say order your

1743
01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:41,550
two-month supply of heart and body

1744
01:18:46,820 --> 01:18:44,280
extract today call one eight six six two

1745
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,830
nine five five three zero five or go to

1746
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:49,440
HP extract calm if you owe money to the

1747
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:51,750
IRS you need to hear this the IRS is

1748
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:52,920
cracking down on those who owed back

1749
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:54,540
taxes it starts with a devastating

1750
01:18:57,150 --> 01:18:55,810
letter and if you

1751
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:57,160
act immediately you could find yourself

1752
01:19:00,810 --> 01:18:59,050
having your wages garnished or have a

1753
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:00,820
lien placed on your property but there's

1754
01:19:05,070 --> 01:19:03,070
the solution tax ten thousand can help

1755
01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:05,080
avoid enforced compliance where these

1756
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:06,790
holds on your income and seizure of your

1757
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,290
home could become a nightmare that just

1758
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:10,000
won't end call eight hundred to thirty

1759
01:19:13,470 --> 01:19:12,010
nine ninety nine fifty seven now and

1760
01:19:15,390 --> 01:19:13,480
speak to one of our experts eight

1761
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:15,400
hundred to thirty nine ninety nine fifty

1762
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:17,110
seven is the number to link you directly

1763
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:18,850
to a tax resolution specialist who will

1764
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:21,010
negotiate with the IRS on your behalf

1765
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:22,510
working through the IRS Fresh Start

1766
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:24,580
program all the forms will be handled

1767
01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:26,260
for you all you have to do is make the

1768
01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:28,060
toll-free call 800 to thirty nine ninety

1769
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:30,100
nine fifty seven find out if you qualify

1770
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:31,990
and possibly save yourself thousands of

1771
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:33,340
dollars not to mention a lot of

1772
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:34,720
headaches it could be the best call

1773
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:36,940
you've made today that number again 800

1774
01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:38,800
two three nine ninety nine fifty seven

1775
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:40,180
the services not provide tax settlement

1776
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:41,440
or legal services we will refer you to a

1777
01:19:43,890 --> 01:19:42,760
company that does provide such services

1778
01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:43,900
often the IRS will not agree to any

1779
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:45,070
reduction in the amount owed not all

1780
01:19:47,460 --> 01:19:46,360
taxpayers or home more than ten thousand

1781
01:19:49,650 --> 01:19:47,470
dollars will qualify for a tax reduction

1782
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,660
program this is a warning to all

1783
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:51,760
household pests to all cockroaches

1784
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,980
spiders ants mice and rats if you've

1785
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:55,600
made yourself at home in someone else's

1786
01:19:59,880 --> 01:19:57,610
home you'd better hope the owners never

1787
01:20:01,440 --> 01:19:59,890
hear about Terminix because Terminix has

1788
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,450
to know how in the means to do whatever

1789
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:03,280
it takes to remove you from that home

1790
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,530
Terminix has 90 years of experience

1791
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,600
eliminating home invaders and they make

1792
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:09,280
it easy for homeowners to be protected

1793
01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:11,110
by offering a free pest estimate by

1794
01:20:16,860 --> 01:20:14,620
calling 1-800 16-6 19-9 cockroaches

1795
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:16,870
spiders ants mice rats and other pests

1796
01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:19,090
this is your last chance with one call

1797
01:20:22,650 --> 01:20:21,160
Terminix will remove you from the home

1798
01:20:23,790 --> 01:20:22,660
you've invaded if you think you can

1799
01:20:25,710 --> 01:20:23,800
simply come back later

1800
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:25,720
think again Terminix will never stop

1801
01:20:31,170 --> 01:20:27,850
working to keep you out with a 100%

1802
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:31,180
satisfaction guarantee pests wherever

1803
01:20:35,130 --> 01:20:34,510
you are I will find you tests you've

1804
01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:35,140
been warned

1805
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:37,000
homeowners are calling Terminix right

1806
01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:39,010
now for a free pest estimate one eight

1807
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:41,320
hundred 676 nine eight seven nine one

1808
01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:42,730
eight hundred six seven six nine eight

1809
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:44,920
seventy nine 30-day moneyback guarantee

1810
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:46,570
at participating locations limitations

1811
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:57,350
[Music]

1812
01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:00,700
when you're listening to the pure caste

1813
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:02,680
[Music]

1814
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:13,360
I was going to have Nick do at that time

1815
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:15,040
but I felt we didn't have a show that

1816
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:23,530
long as well I have to say that you

1817
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:25,210
remind me of a book that I have is

1818
01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:27,610
called the definitive compendium of

1819
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,520
authoritative misinformation it's called

1820
01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:33,280
the expert speak and basically it's

1821
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:35,680
every expert in the history of the world

1822
01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:39,660
you know as far back as print and go is

1823
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:43,150
how wrong the experts are about what

1824
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:45,130
they're saying and it's funny to read

1825
01:21:49,890 --> 01:21:46,990
it's one of those things that you get a

1826
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:49,900
good laugh at I'm trying to find one

1827
01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:53,440
that fits here's one example thirteen

1828
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,750
states with a population less than New

1829
01:22:01,620 --> 01:21:58,480
York State alone can prevent repeal

1830
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:01,630
until Halley's Comet returns one might

1831
01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:03,730
as well talk about a summer vacation on

1832
01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:05,560
Mars this is about the disappearance of

1833
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,200
prohibition of course this individual

1834
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:09,840
was wrong

1835
01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:13,090
prohibition could be one of them so you

1836
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,220
know the experts and people talking

1837
01:22:20,490 --> 01:22:17,440
about the racism and the evolution of

1838
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:20,500
life it's called the experts speak and

1839
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:21,970
it's one of the funniest books I've ever

1840
01:22:27,540 --> 01:22:24,280
read because it basically is when the

1841
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:27,550
experts wrong it's in that book and it

1842
01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:29,170
goes back to what you were saying that

1843
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,820
there are plenty of things that we just

1844
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:33,520
don't get right even when we think we're

1845
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:36,310
right we have our known knowns we have

1846
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:38,590
our unknown knowns we have our known

1847
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:40,510
unknowns and we have our unknown

1848
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:44,110
unknowns yeah four categories of

1849
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,330
epistemology there well I think

1850
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:48,400
sometimes what happened you know the

1851
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:50,170
vast majority people who aren't involved

1852
01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:52,390
or interested in the paranormal at all

1853
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:55,000
people just don't notice sometimes you

1854
01:22:59,940 --> 01:22:57,880
know the weird stuff that goes on one of

1855
01:23:01,980 --> 01:22:59,950
the things that I immediately springs to

1856
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:01,990
mind when it comes to the issue of what

1857
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:04,330
reality is or isn't things like

1858
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:06,070
synchronicities now I get a lot of

1859
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:08,770
synchronicities and I don't ignore them

1860
01:23:14,970 --> 01:23:11,470
but you know synchronicities aren't just

1861
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:14,980
bizarre coincidences it really does

1862
01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:16,510
suggest you know that real

1863
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:20,740
isn't what it appears to be if strange

1864
01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:22,840
things can happen in what seemed to be a

1865
01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:26,680
bizarre complex manipulative way then

1866
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:29,350
you have to begin to wonder well are we

1867
01:23:34,650 --> 01:23:31,900
really just seeing part of the picture

1868
01:23:37,050 --> 01:23:34,660
and not realizing the bigger picture and

1869
01:23:40,050 --> 01:23:37,060
I actually do think that is the case I

1870
01:23:43,170 --> 01:23:40,060
don't think synchronicities are just the

1871
01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:43,180
occasional random weird coincidence if

1872
01:23:47,790 --> 01:23:45,000
you look at things from a dualistic

1873
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:47,800
perspective where you have a human being

1874
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:50,290
who has a soul and a spirit and that

1875
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somehow disembodied from the rest of the

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physical world and they think of the

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world is divided into mental and

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physical then synchronicities aren't

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going to make any sense because you're

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gonna think of human being interacting

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with the world through some kind of

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medium which doesn't even make sense

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because if they're different on if their

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physical and mental are different

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ontologically how do they interact so

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they're really that so a lot of times a

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problem in philosophy and in science is

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that people ask the wrong question and I

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think that what we're dealing with is

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that you're a being that is a part an

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appendage of the universe it's like an

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apple that grows out of a tree you're

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not separate from the universe you're

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not homeless so to speak you're not

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placed into the world by some entity you

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know from beyond you are part of the

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universe so it makes sense that

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synchronicity would be something that

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would and you know you who was the

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father of talking about synchronicity it

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was a monist

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I mean when I read his books he doesn't

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try to make a distinction between

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physical reality and mental reality but

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he does talk about archetypes that exist

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in physical reality that become a part

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of who we are but we're still part of

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that same universe so synchronicity from

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a point of view of a monist

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I think is more a more viable

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alternative than from a dualistic

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ontology now that that's a good point

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you know and I think when it comes to

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reality though I don't try and pretend

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to know what reality is in any reasons I

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only the

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now and again weird stuff happens you

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know which cannot be explained by just

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the world around us Elgar speaking in

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simple terms that's how I kind of view

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there are certain things where glitches

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happen or just something so weird

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happens and it happens for a reason and

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and the more you kind of take notice of

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them the more they seem to occur so I

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sort of have a an open mind on what

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Edie's were actually dealing with and

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what even our reality is but you know I

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think the one the one big difference I

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have with a lot of people I'm not just

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saying that the seco is - I actually

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have a good way of switch you know I

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don't get obsessed by things and I think

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sometimes things like the Slender Man

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and just a paranormal in general just

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obsessing about it I'm thinking of

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nothing else 24/7 he's not a healthy way

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to live your life you know you in as

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Geno's you know about these

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conversations before you know I work

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9:00 to 5:00 Monday to Friday working

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you know right in the books of the

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articles by the clock comes around you

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know the laptop goes into sleep mode and

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you know evenings and weekends if for

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like taking a girlfriend out to see a

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band play or going out with a bunch of

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mates to watch a soccer game things like

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that and I really do switch off Friday

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afternoon five o'clock I don't do

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anything work-wise research-wise till

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nine o'clock Monday morning and I

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certainly don't do anything other after

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five o'clock at night in the week unless

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it's like tonight you know doing a radio

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show and for me you know I can see how

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01:27:12,419 --> 01:27:09,400
easily it is to get sucked in and it

1958
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becomes like a dark place and I think

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that's why I always tell people you know

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make sure you've still got your regular

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life as well that's one of the things

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I've found in the Slenderman phenomenon

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again whether it's a psychological issue

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or a supernatural issue you find for

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some weird reason which you don't get

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with say the men in black or the

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black-eyed children-- or whatever but

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with a slender man you get this angle

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where it just ends in disaster every

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time people got obsessed with you and

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I'll just write articles about a write

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books their lives are ruined the fact

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that happens

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many times in relation to the Slenderman

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you know I'm looking at something that

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caught my attention on the the amazon

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entry on your book it says perhaps and I

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quote like the best Skynet system in the

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Terminator movies the internet is

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turning against us and attacking us with

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digital equivalents of our own online

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nightmares

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01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,000
I may be quoting somebody's blur but but

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is that is that something that you think

1985
01:28:21,090 --> 01:28:17,290
about I mean do you think about the

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notion of human consciousness and

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intelligence what some people call

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artificial intelligence do you really

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01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:27,040
think there's a difference between

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artificial and natural intelligence and

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by the way that's a really beaten

1992
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question it sounds like a simple

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question but there's nothing simple

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about it at all

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01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:40,840
now to answer the question I would sort

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01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:43,510
of look at what he's being said you know

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in this sort of scientific world today I

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mean here are some surprisingly

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well-known figures in the world of

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science who do suspect not believe or

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01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,400
conclude but suspect you know the

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internet if you like may becoming kind

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of self-aware now whether or not you

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01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:04,690
know that is exactly the case or not is

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01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:07,090
very much sort of open to interpretation

2006
01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:09,850
but you know there is again like a

2007
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:12,460
school of thought that does believe that

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is the case and the reason why I

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01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:16,390
mentioned that in the book more than

2010
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:17,650
anything else he's actually one

2011
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:20,320
particular story which was given to me

2012
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:22,690
for the book and it came from a young

2013
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woman named Lacey who I interviewed well

2014
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in a interview that she was a trainee

2015
01:29:32,340 --> 01:29:30,400
flight attendant she's never a full

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flight attendant but by her own

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admission within sort of the first year

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01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:37,360
or so when the whole slenderman being

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picked up and you know became like an

2020
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obsession for so many my laces on

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admission she became obsessed with it

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she printed off dozens and dozens of

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images from like Google Images and Frank

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printed them are from frame them on her

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one of her living rooms

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walls that kind of thing the office

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walls she printed off bunches of stories

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that people had created wrote their own

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stories took part in chat rooms debate

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etc etc and became very very obsessed

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with this whole issue now she told me

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and again chica I met her I met lacy in

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person and she came across just like a

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you're listening to the pair cast the

2144
01:35:09,690 --> 01:35:07,690
standard of paranormal radio he's gonna

2145
01:35:11,220 --> 01:35:09,700
be like the Federal Express man in this

2146
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:11,230
episode remember that guy in the

2147
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:14,050
commercials we talk real fast by the way

2148
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:15,490
I'm going to talk about this real fast

2149
01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:18,790
we have not mentioned the fact that we

2150
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:20,830
have a version of the show that we offer

2151
01:35:26,610 --> 01:35:24,640
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2152
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:26,620
get it is to sign up for the power cast

2153
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:29,890
plus at plus dot the power cast comm we

2154
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:31,360
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2155
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:35,170
podcast another goodies it's amazing

2156
01:35:41,340 --> 01:35:39,040
it's fabulous it's ruvi on a Sunday

2157
01:35:44,940 --> 01:35:41,350
afternoon grooving on this nook forget

2158
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:44,950
it it's awesome it really is awesome for

2159
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:48,730
sure at dollar 49 a week it's cheaper

2160
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:50,410
than buying coffee you can't get coffee

2161
01:35:54,270 --> 01:35:52,510
at a convenience store for less than a

2162
01:35:57,480 --> 01:35:54,280
dollar seventy-five or something now

2163
01:36:00,960 --> 01:35:57,490
it's preposterous but we offer this

2164
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:00,970
after the para cast of para cast go to

2165
01:36:06,510 --> 01:36:03,130
para cast + + thought the power cast I

2166
01:36:10,050 --> 01:36:06,520
come to learn more Nick Redfern is here

2167
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:10,060
and he's giving us the fabulous bumpers

2168
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:13,450
I just saw something interesting in the

2169
01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:15,370
book as I was paging through it the

2170
01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:17,940
shadow thing would not reflect white

2171
01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:20,200
does that mean the shadow thing had a

2172
01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:23,830
cloaking device net well the witness

2173
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:25,630
kind of described it sort of you know

2174
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:28,810
dark is dark you know as if no light

2175
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:31,210
could get he no like get out it was just

2176
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:34,960
too dark you know a kind of thing but

2177
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:36,970
back to the story I was telling them

2178
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:39,370
Lacey this flight attendant she told me

2179
01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:41,680
how as I said before the break she by

2180
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:43,030
her own admission she became very

2181
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:44,770
obsessed with the whole Slenderman

2182
01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:47,050
phenomenon this went on for months and

2183
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:49,060
finally you know for a couple of years

2184
01:36:56,940 --> 01:36:53,290
and on one occasion at the height of all

2185
01:36:59,070 --> 01:36:56,950
this she put her laptop in sleep mode at

2186
01:37:01,260 --> 01:36:59,080
night as she did so she said just so

2187
01:37:03,330 --> 01:37:01,270
like a millisecond but enough just to

2188
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:03,340
register it in the eye she saw like a

2189
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,280
faceless face like the Slenderman on the

2190
01:37:10,859 --> 01:37:08,800
laptop image or on the top of the screen

2191
01:37:13,589 --> 01:37:10,869
I should say she saw the image

2192
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:13,599
and finally kind of it creepy and weird

2193
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:17,650
and then sometime afterwards again when

2194
01:37:22,919 --> 01:37:19,960
she when she's put into sleep mode she

2195
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:22,929
saw like this skinny spindly spidery

2196
01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:26,110
humanoid figure again very very very

2197
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:28,630
briefly on the screen and then on a

2198
01:37:32,459 --> 01:37:31,030
third occasion she as she was put it

2199
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:32,469
again into sleep mode she heard

2200
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:36,010
something say we're friends now now of

2201
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,170
course you know people said to mean it's

2202
01:37:41,939 --> 01:37:40,480
not being possible maybe somebody had

2203
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:41,949
sort of got into a system you know

2204
01:37:47,010 --> 01:37:43,810
hacked into a system I was playing mind

2205
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:47,020
games with I don't know but what I can

2206
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:50,170
tell you is that LaCie became like so

2207
01:37:56,939 --> 01:37:52,570
many others just plunged into a state of

2208
01:38:00,450 --> 01:37:56,949
fear of obsession of paranoia and to the

2209
01:38:02,189 --> 01:38:00,460
point where she actually owned a copy of

2210
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:02,199
a previous book written by a friend of

2211
01:38:06,689 --> 01:38:04,510
mine called Robin Swope he Robbie wrote

2212
01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:06,699
a book about five years ago called the

2213
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:09,070
Slenderman from fact to fiction as scary

2214
01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:12,760
from fiction to fact and lace he got so

2215
01:38:20,339 --> 01:38:16,750
obsessed she actually burned Robin's

2216
01:38:23,339 --> 01:38:20,349
book a copy of Robin's book and but you

2217
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:23,349
know demonstrates not just the obsession

2218
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:26,050
angle but how you have weird crossover

2219
01:38:32,189 --> 01:38:29,530
between an alleged real Slenderman if

2220
01:38:34,350 --> 01:38:32,199
you like I've been coming to life out of

2221
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:34,360
the internet and interacting with

2222
01:38:40,919 --> 01:38:37,300
someone who is using the internet to

2223
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:40,929
find all they can on the Slenderman now

2224
01:38:44,490 --> 01:38:42,580
as I said the you know the easiest

2225
01:38:46,649 --> 01:38:44,500
option in all this is that somebody was

2226
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:46,659
playing mind games and hacking her and

2227
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:49,090
so forth but if not then you have this

2228
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:52,210
angle of somehow the Slenderman and the

2229
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:54,760
Internet and the victim all becoming

2230
01:39:01,140 --> 01:38:58,480
part of one phenomenon so to speak well

2231
01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:01,150
I can tell you from my own personal

2232
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,540
experience and I've had many of them

2233
01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:06,880
these are the non sequiturs I talked

2234
01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:11,230
about Jean is that I would be with a

2235
01:39:15,660 --> 01:39:12,940
friend and we would be thinking about

2236
01:39:19,530 --> 01:39:15,670
something and we'd be wandering around

2237
01:39:21,419 --> 01:39:19,540
in some dark place because we we like to

2238
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:21,429
go out and we like to hike and drink

2239
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:24,489
vodka don't ask me why we just like to

2240
01:39:29,190 --> 01:39:27,040
that was our thing we did in Dallas

2241
01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:29,200
Texas I mean we did it down in Dallas

2242
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:31,180
Nature Center we would go down to the

2243
01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:33,310
noose now called the Cedar Creek reserve

2244
01:39:38,729 --> 01:39:35,860
and we would walk down the trails and I

2245
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:38,739
remember a fascinating experience that

2246
01:39:44,130 --> 01:39:41,590
we both had simultaneously while we were

2247
01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:44,140
walking down the trail and it involved

2248
01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:47,680
us both talking about something you know

2249
01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:49,750
that we had experienced years before

2250
01:39:53,850 --> 01:39:52,180
that we didn't really couldn't explain

2251
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:53,860
and we were talking about it while we

2252
01:39:59,040 --> 01:39:56,770
were drunk and all of the sudden we

2253
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,050
started hearing noises and things coming

2254
01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:01,360
out of the bushes as if it was coming

2255
01:40:05,850 --> 01:40:03,580
after us him and I remember seeing

2256
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:05,860
figures that didn't make any sense to me

2257
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,320
and like figures that were you know

2258
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:10,719
humanoid that we're chasing us and I

2259
01:40:15,810 --> 01:40:12,610
remember us running and screaming out of

2260
01:40:18,150 --> 01:40:15,820
the park and this was five miles of

2261
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:18,160
trails so if you could imagine us being

2262
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:21,730
stuck on those trails and going what the

2263
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:23,410
hell is that and we're having this

2264
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,900
shared you know kind of a hallucination

2265
01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:30,400
experience because we had been talking

2266
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:33,160
about something now I call this a non

2267
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:35,110
sequitur because I'm not going to try to

2268
01:40:38,940 --> 01:40:37,120
explain it I'm not going to say that I

2269
01:40:40,770 --> 01:40:38,950
know what it is or that I even think

2270
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:40,780
that there was anything physically real

2271
01:40:47,190 --> 01:40:44,350
about it but psychically we were both on

2272
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:47,200
the same wavelength and we both saw the

2273
01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:49,570
same thing and we both explained it in

2274
01:40:54,420 --> 01:40:52,030
the same way and to this day we still

2275
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:54,430
talk about it you know I think that

2276
01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:56,650
that's that's something that a lot more

2277
01:41:02,160 --> 01:40:59,170
people if they would admit it they have

2278
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:02,170
these experiences you know instead of

2279
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:04,570
saying that was just mass hysteria that

2280
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:07,780
was just my own mind making up things if

2281
01:41:12,690 --> 01:41:09,940
they would come out with it I think we

2282
01:41:14,610 --> 01:41:12,700
could learn a lot I did this this way I

2283
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:14,620
think about you know when I when I sit

2284
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:18,790
in my room and I stare at a wall you

2285
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,460
know like a spackled wall sometimes I'll

2286
01:41:27,450 --> 01:41:23,920
see faces coming out of the wall you

2287
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:27,460
know and sometimes I want and it just

2288
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:30,070
depends on the day and there and you

2289
01:41:35,370 --> 01:41:33,160
know I know they're not real but I still

2290
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:35,380
sit there and I go wow hmm there's a

2291
01:41:39,839 --> 01:41:38,260
face there and

2292
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:39,849
happens to be whatever it is that I'm

2293
01:41:44,759 --> 01:41:41,500
thinking about sigh I think there's

2294
01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:44,769
something to that no well yeah I mean

2295
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:46,900
it's interesting you know you bring up

2296
01:41:50,819 --> 01:41:48,369
the whole issue of like alcohol and

2297
01:41:52,319 --> 01:41:50,829
things like that I mean what it comes

2298
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:52,329
down to at the end of the day is whether

2299
01:41:58,919 --> 01:41:55,210
it's alcohol drugs loose no genex you

2300
01:42:02,189 --> 01:41:58,929
know DMT it doesn't really matter

2301
01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:02,199
yeah mescaline what it all comes down to

2302
01:42:08,669 --> 01:42:05,320
is that you're basically altering that

2303
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:08,679
your normal mindset and it's when you're

2304
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:11,190
in that sort of altered state the

2305
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:13,449
paranormal things I would say happen

2306
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,670
more but you you're able to visualize

2307
01:42:19,620 --> 01:42:18,159
them more now I'm not saying you know

2308
01:42:21,689 --> 01:42:19,630
did you go down to pub on a Friday night

2309
01:42:24,419 --> 01:42:21,699
drink a bunch of big and I say a Bigfoot

2310
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,429
he's not quite that simple no I wish it

2311
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:25,840
was because you know I drink plenty of

2312
01:42:35,069 --> 01:42:32,110
beer but I've never seen but joking

2313
01:42:37,919 --> 01:42:35,079
aside what he does really come down to

2314
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:37,929
is you know altered states do allow us I

2315
01:42:44,819 --> 01:42:41,650
firmly believe to access other realms

2316
01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:44,829
other entities other forms of existence

2317
01:42:50,459 --> 01:42:47,860
that you won't see in a normal situation

2318
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:50,469
I mean if you think about it you know I

2319
01:42:56,819 --> 01:42:52,570
mean x-rays

2320
01:42:58,560 --> 01:42:56,829
you know infrared etc you know you don't

2321
01:43:01,439 --> 01:42:58,570
see them but we you know they're around

2322
01:43:05,069 --> 01:43:01,449
us you know x-rays allow us to see bones

2323
01:43:07,009 --> 01:43:05,079
fractures and so forth but you know the

2324
01:43:10,410 --> 01:43:07,019
point I'm trying to make is they were

2325
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:10,420
hopefully making is that you know when

2326
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:12,820
you're in altered state you have the

2327
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:16,239
ability to access phenomena and realms

2328
01:43:24,029 --> 01:43:21,130
that you cannot in the normal state if

2329
01:43:26,459 --> 01:43:24,039
you like and so I mean that's why you

2330
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:26,469
know if you look into South American

2331
01:43:32,370 --> 01:43:29,460
tribes and things like this you know the

2332
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:32,380
the village shame and or whatever you

2333
01:43:36,569 --> 01:43:34,510
know is perceived as a very revered

2334
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:36,579
character because he or she has the

2335
01:43:43,979 --> 01:43:40,090
ability you know to really open the door

2336
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,989
so to speak and and I think certainly

2337
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:45,760
you know when people talk about DMT and

2338
01:43:49,890 --> 01:43:48,130
saying you know they encounter these

2339
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:49,900
strange little creatures and so on a

2340
01:43:55,470 --> 01:43:52,090
people say oh this is just a loose

2341
01:43:58,650 --> 01:43:55,480
Leyton I don't think it is I think you

2342
01:44:01,080 --> 01:43:58,660
know there actually are other realms

2343
01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:01,090
around us and I do believe we can access

2344
01:44:10,890 --> 01:44:08,470
them sorry yeah we're not accessing them

2345
01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:10,900
by you know like the search reset

2346
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:12,460
extraterrestrial intelligence or SETI

2347
01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:15,070
program by sending radio waves out

2348
01:44:22,620 --> 01:44:19,720
we're actually accessing multi realms

2349
01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:22,630
and a lot of people don't get their head

2350
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:24,940
around that because well that's just my

2351
01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:28,000
magic you know that's just garbage you

2352
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:29,680
know we need to do this by sending

2353
01:44:33,780 --> 01:44:31,690
signals out to this star system or that

2354
01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:33,790
star system or good luck on that you

2355
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:35,350
know it's never worked yet and I don't

2356
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:38,490
believe it will be at the way to end to

2357
01:44:46,350 --> 01:44:42,340
contact these supernatural entities is I

2358
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:46,360
think by altering the state of the mind

2359
01:44:51,930 --> 01:44:48,880
and that then allows us that interaction

2360
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:51,940
and of course if you look at it so many

2361
01:44:57,870 --> 01:44:54,250
people had the Slender Man interaction

2362
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:57,880
have woken up at sort of 2 or 3 a.m. to

2363
01:45:01,170 --> 01:44:59,920
say the thing looming over the bed well

2364
01:45:03,570 --> 01:45:01,180
what are you doing bed after 2:00 or

2365
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:03,580
3:00 a.m. a.m. you know you're in the

2366
01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:05,890
dream state which is an altered state so

2367
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:07,900
I think you know all of this kind of

2368
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:11,230
ties in as well you know I'm gonna have

2369
01:45:15,870 --> 01:45:14,110
more coming with Nick Redfern talking

2370
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:15,880
about the Slender Man and I have a few

2371
01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:18,010
questions I'm gonna lay on him in our

2372
01:45:36,689 --> 01:45:31,649
thank you for listening to GCS

2373
01:45:43,209 --> 01:45:39,939
we also have swag you know we have all

2374
01:45:44,050 --> 01:45:43,219
these exclusive para cast things that

2375
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:44,060
you can buy

2376
01:45:48,819 --> 01:45:46,010
we've got like I guess 60 or so

2377
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:48,829
different items and entails t-shirts

2378
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:52,400
sleeves for notebook computers iPad

2379
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:55,730
cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

2380
01:45:59,859 --> 01:45:58,010
tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

2381
01:46:03,100 --> 01:45:59,869
jackets and stuff like that for men and

2382
01:46:05,410 --> 01:46:03,110
women we have a para cast aluminum water

2383
01:46:08,350 --> 01:46:05,420
bottle all the stuff you go to steward

2384
01:46:11,050 --> 01:46:08,360
on to the para cast comm store dot the

2385
01:46:13,660 --> 01:46:11,060
para cast comm what makes special is

2386
01:46:16,419 --> 01:46:13,670
that the items are the best quality of

2387
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,429
great t-shirts fabrics and they have our

2388
01:46:20,109 --> 01:46:18,320
official logo on them that's what makes

2389
01:46:20,770 --> 01:46:20,119
them special in multiple sizes and

2390
01:46:23,589 --> 01:46:20,780
colors

2391
01:46:25,930 --> 01:46:23,599
we even have stuff for children stuff

2392
01:46:28,660 --> 01:46:25,940
for women's stuff for men we have all

2393
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:28,670
sorts of sizes like small up 2x large

2394
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,010
lot good stuff that's the swag from the

2395
01:46:39,550 --> 01:46:34,400
para cast to go to store . ^ cast calm

2396
01:46:41,410 --> 01:46:39,560
stop by and take a shopping tour it's a

2397
01:46:43,149 --> 01:46:41,420
no brainer a big berkey water filter is

2398
01:46:44,850 --> 01:46:43,159
the one you need . you need a water

2399
01:46:47,169 --> 01:46:44,860
filter that removes chlorine fluoride

2400
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:47,179
pharmaceuticals BPA and other endocrine

2401
01:46:51,310 --> 01:46:49,489
disrupters pesticides bacteria viruses

2402
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2422
01:47:53,780 --> 01:47:49,480
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2423
01:48:02,580 --> 01:47:53,790
standard of paranormal radio and now

2424
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:02,590
here's Jean Steinberg so we're having

2425
01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:05,890
these situations with Slenderman at 3

2426
01:48:09,540 --> 01:48:07,780
o'clock in the morning which is better

2427
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:09,550
than trying to call the president at 3

2428
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,170
o'clock in the morning because he might

2429
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:13,840
be watching something on cable TV but

2430
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:16,570
the issue here is if it's 3 o'clock in

2431
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,250
the morning and you're in a dream state

2432
01:48:25,530 --> 01:48:21,040
why assume is anything more than a dream

2433
01:48:27,330 --> 01:48:25,540
well you know I don't dispute that some

2434
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:27,340
cases you know if you dream about we all

2435
01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:29,260
got a dream about something that one

2436
01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:30,790
night when it happened something's

2437
01:48:35,550 --> 01:48:32,950
happened in the day so sometimes a dream

2438
01:48:36,690 --> 01:48:35,560
is just a dream there's no doubt about

2439
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:36,700
that but when you have things like

2440
01:48:42,900 --> 01:48:39,550
prophetic dreams astral travel I think

2441
01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:42,910
there's more to it now as far as your

2442
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:44,470
questions concerned I mean any to

2443
01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:47,460
legitimate question what I would say is

2444
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,790
why is it so many kids teenagers have

2445
01:48:56,430 --> 01:48:53,920
these very vivid dreams and nightmares

2446
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,440
about the Slender Man but you're not

2447
01:49:00,240 --> 01:48:58,480
getting the same thing about Bigfoot or

2448
01:49:01,950 --> 01:49:00,250
the black-eyed children even the

2449
01:49:04,590 --> 01:49:01,960
black-eyed children are kind of similar

2450
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:04,600
in some respects to the slender man who

2451
01:49:08,340 --> 01:49:06,370
is pale and they try and find a way to

2452
01:49:12,060 --> 01:49:08,350
the house where these black clothes or

2453
01:49:14,490 --> 01:49:12,070
metal creepy even those thing phenomena

2454
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:14,500
don't inspire all that sort of terror

2455
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:17,320
and fear and paranoia you know when you

2456
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:20,290
have cases of people waking up and say

2457
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:22,570
2:00 or 3:00 a.m. which is a classic

2458
01:49:25,860 --> 01:49:24,310
time for people waking up having

2459
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:25,870
paranormal experiences like sleep

2460
01:49:30,510 --> 01:49:28,930
paralysis seeing strange entities at the

2461
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:30,520
end of the bed you know you can find

2462
01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:32,350
those stories going back to stories of

2463
01:49:37,650 --> 01:49:35,680
like Lilith thousands of years ago like

2464
01:49:40,050 --> 01:49:37,660
a predator this predatory creature and

2465
01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:40,060
today you've got things like the old hag

2466
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:42,580
in BO Finland which are very similar so

2467
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:44,710
any of you you've you this is like a

2468
01:49:50,730 --> 01:49:47,170
glitch of the mind or when you're in

2469
01:49:52,650 --> 01:49:50,740
that deep very deep sleep state you're

2470
01:49:55,620 --> 01:49:52,660
able to interact with something which

2471
01:49:56,939 --> 01:49:55,630
can also interact with you granted

2472
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,949
this is going to be down to personal

2473
01:50:01,770 --> 01:49:58,960
perspectives as to whether you view it

2474
01:50:03,930 --> 01:50:01,780
as paranormal or not I've actually had a

2475
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:03,940
couple of those weird experiences like

2476
01:50:09,899 --> 01:50:07,690
sleep paralysis and you know I've spoken

2477
01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:09,909
to enough friends who've had them which

2478
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:11,560
leads me to believe there is sort of an

2479
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:14,350
external component which can interact in

2480
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:16,090
our dream state which is had a highly

2481
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:18,310
controversial thing to claim so our

2482
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,050
paranormal entities can get into our

2483
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:22,239
dreams and manipulate them which is not

2484
01:50:25,950 --> 01:50:24,130
unlike the image in the Matrix movies

2485
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:25,960
where we actually really are all fast

2486
01:50:30,959 --> 01:50:28,050
asleep and you know you have the matrix

2487
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:30,969
manipulating our dream state if you like

2488
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:32,770
to make it look like something far more

2489
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:35,770
like the reality that we do live in or

2490
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,350
we hope we live no but yeah I mean I

2491
01:50:43,260 --> 01:50:40,960
cannot actually dispute what you said

2492
01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:43,270
gene you know how do we know that some

2493
01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:45,460
of these aren't great dreams well some

2494
01:50:49,649 --> 01:50:47,500
of them may be you know I'm not sort of

2495
01:50:51,689 --> 01:50:49,659
dogmatically saying they're all they saw

2496
01:50:54,209 --> 01:50:51,699
that I died because that would be unfair

2497
01:50:56,669 --> 01:50:54,219
he would also be wrong but I do think

2498
01:50:58,620 --> 01:50:56,679
there's enough data to suggest there is

2499
01:51:01,800 --> 01:50:58,630
something weird going on it's not just

2500
01:51:04,890 --> 01:51:01,810
this or that well let's look more into

2501
01:51:07,860 --> 01:51:04,900
the determinant here about separating

2502
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:07,870
the dream state from the reality

2503
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:10,510
I was just considering here where

2504
01:51:16,890 --> 01:51:14,080
somehow people are forced or encouraged

2505
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:16,900
or enabled to do things they aren't

2506
01:51:20,910 --> 01:51:18,489
aware about like they're being

2507
01:51:22,919 --> 01:51:20,920
controlled by these creatures we've

2508
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:22,929
already talked about you know the two

2509
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:26,260
girls in in Waukesha they firmly believe

2510
01:51:31,050 --> 01:51:29,440
they had to do this in the name of the

2511
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:31,060
Slender Man I mean I mean that's a fact

2512
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:34,449
it's not that this was just something

2513
01:51:38,340 --> 01:51:36,850
they had this sort of vague idea well we

2514
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,350
should do this now it was like you know

2515
01:51:42,810 --> 01:51:40,719
this has to be done in the name of him I

2516
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:42,820
mean I'll give you another example the

2517
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:45,250
only one week after the attack on Payton

2518
01:51:47,459 --> 01:51:45,730
leutner

2519
01:51:49,950 --> 01:51:47,469
when she was stabbed 19 times in

2520
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:49,960
Waukesha there was another attack in

2521
01:51:54,899 --> 01:51:52,449
Hamilton County Ohio where a young girl

2522
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:54,909
attacked her mother fortunately a mother

2523
01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:57,250
survived but when the police checked

2524
01:52:02,580 --> 01:51:59,650
into it they found that she had a heavy

2525
01:52:05,250 --> 01:52:02,590
obsession with the Slenderman there was

2526
01:52:07,229 --> 01:52:05,260
another case in Pasco Florida this was

2527
01:52:09,549 --> 01:52:07,239
just three months after the warning

2528
01:52:11,169 --> 01:52:09,559
Hamilton County where a young girl

2529
01:52:13,209 --> 01:52:11,179
the house down and nearly killed a

2530
01:52:16,089 --> 01:52:13,219
mother and a brother but luckily they

2531
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:16,099
managed to escape and she too had this

2532
01:52:21,209 --> 01:52:18,770
journal where she was an obsession with

2533
01:52:25,180 --> 01:52:21,219
the Slenderman but certainly the most

2534
01:52:27,419 --> 01:52:25,190
sort of tragic one and deadly one which

2535
01:52:30,459 --> 01:52:27,429
went in some respects sort of far more

2536
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:30,469
dangerous than the attacking Walker in

2537
01:52:36,549 --> 01:52:34,010
2014 while which actually in May 2014

2538
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:36,559
there's one one way month later in June

2539
01:52:42,850 --> 01:52:40,250
2014 in Las Vegas involved a berry

2540
01:52:46,089 --> 01:52:42,860
couple Jerad and Amanda Miller and they

2541
01:52:47,649 --> 01:52:46,099
shot their two cops and a man in Walmart

2542
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:47,659
and went on the shooting spree around

2543
01:52:52,899 --> 01:52:50,449
Vegas both of them were absolutely

2544
01:52:55,569 --> 01:52:52,909
obsessed with two fictional entities one

2545
01:53:00,129 --> 01:52:55,579
being the Slender Man and the other one

2546
01:53:02,649 --> 01:53:00,139
being the Joker from the DC Comics as

2547
01:53:05,799 --> 01:53:02,659
far as says-- wife was concerned Amanda

2548
01:53:09,609 --> 01:53:05,809
I mean she had her own obsessions as

2549
01:53:12,609 --> 01:53:09,619
well also from DC Comics and you know

2550
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,619
you had this situation where you have

2551
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:14,960
people who some people say well mate you

2552
01:53:20,049 --> 01:53:17,300
know it may just be just mental illness

2553
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:20,059
but why does it just keep happening you

2554
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:22,130
know in relation to things like the

2555
01:53:25,839 --> 01:53:24,170
Slender Man and as I said Jerry Bella's

2556
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:25,849
wife you know she was obsessed with the

2557
01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:28,250
Harlequin character like a super villain

2558
01:53:34,109 --> 01:53:30,980
s from DC Comics they were also

2559
01:53:36,850 --> 01:53:34,119
interested in the holing angle of

2560
01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:36,860
thought-forms and cosplay particularly

2561
01:53:42,490 --> 01:53:38,900
now if you put those two issues together

2562
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,500
cosplay and thought forms that's sort of

2563
01:53:46,089 --> 01:53:45,199
like lighting the dynamite for creating

2564
01:53:47,950 --> 01:53:46,099
a thought-form

2565
01:53:49,779 --> 01:53:47,960
there's a lot of people creating that

2566
01:53:52,750 --> 01:53:49,789
thought form and they're like to post

2567
01:53:55,330 --> 01:53:52,760
their videos if you go to youtube and

2568
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:55,340
you do a search query on Slenderman it's

2569
01:53:59,260 --> 01:53:57,770
all over the place have you looked at I

2570
01:54:01,410 --> 01:53:59,270
mean have you looked at these I mean

2571
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:01,420
they're they're fascinating it's a

2572
01:54:06,129 --> 01:54:04,130
entire phenomenon I mean if you just

2573
01:54:08,529 --> 01:54:06,139
type the word Slenderman is one word

2574
01:54:11,919 --> 01:54:08,539
into Google there's more than seven

2575
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:11,929
million results yeah I mean we're

2576
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:14,210
talking about something that is not just

2577
01:54:19,930 --> 01:54:17,090
an interest it is a massive phenomenon

2578
01:54:22,419 --> 01:54:19,940
I'll give you one disturb kind of

2579
01:54:23,339 --> 01:54:22,429
disturbing and sort of slightly creepy

2580
01:54:25,169 --> 01:54:23,349
story

2581
01:54:27,839 --> 01:54:25,179
one of the people I interviewed for the

2582
01:54:30,810 --> 01:54:27,849
book it was Olaf Phillips who who runs

2583
01:54:34,050 --> 01:54:30,820
and publishes paranoia magazine which is

2584
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,060
a newsstand magazine and I interviewed

2585
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:36,400
Ola because here there he told me how he

2586
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:38,050
had an interest in the Slenderman

2587
01:54:43,379 --> 01:54:41,050
phenomenon and they actually devote you

2588
01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:43,389
one issue of the magazine to the Slender

2589
01:54:47,370 --> 01:54:45,820
Man and how all over the really

2590
01:54:48,780 --> 01:54:47,380
interesting stories to tell me about his

2591
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:48,790
young son this is when he's you know

2592
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:51,250
he's some was pretty near us or eight or

2593
01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:54,040
nine so we going back to sort of the you

2594
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:56,020
know not long after the film was created

2595
01:54:59,040 --> 01:54:58,000
and all I've happened to say to his son

2596
01:55:01,410 --> 01:54:59,050
you know be heard of this thing called

2597
01:55:02,819 --> 01:55:01,420
the Slenderman he said his son kind of

2598
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:02,829
looked at him and stared it went really

2599
01:55:07,649 --> 01:55:05,679
quiet and Ben said or why you asking he

2600
01:55:09,959 --> 01:55:07,659
said well you know we're having a couple

2601
01:55:12,180 --> 01:55:09,969
of articles in the next magazine and the

2602
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,190
interested to children and you know keep

2603
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:14,320
children into all this and have you

2604
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:16,449
heard of it neat son finally said well

2605
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:19,630
yes we all know about it at school we'll

2606
01:55:24,810 --> 01:55:23,170
talk about it we all focus on it we're

2607
01:55:27,330 --> 01:55:24,820
thinking about it but we don't tell the

2608
01:55:30,180 --> 01:55:27,340
parents we don't tell the grown-ups the

2609
01:55:33,330 --> 01:55:30,190
old people now that terrifies me because

2610
01:55:35,310 --> 01:55:33,340
I've got in the other room his 15 years

2611
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:35,320
old and when I'm done with the show I'm

2612
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:36,730
gonna walk over there and I'm gonna ask

2613
01:55:42,359 --> 01:55:41,050
him about this because well have told me

2614
01:55:44,850 --> 01:55:42,369
from there he said well what do you mean

2615
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,860
and he said well we're all into it but

2616
01:55:49,950 --> 01:55:47,199
it's our thing it's not the adult and

2617
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:49,960
all I've told me and again I interviewed

2618
01:55:52,740 --> 01:55:51,130
him for the book about the entire

2619
01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:52,750
interview with him he's in the book he

2620
01:55:59,339 --> 01:55:55,900
said he came to realize that any son's

2621
01:56:00,750 --> 01:55:59,349
own class in his own school everybody

2622
01:56:02,939 --> 01:56:00,760
who you know all the friends they were

2623
01:56:04,439 --> 01:56:02,949
all focusing on the Slenderman talking

2624
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:04,449
about I'm thinking about him and writing

2625
01:56:09,450 --> 01:56:06,880
stuff about him and yet they were

2626
01:56:11,339 --> 01:56:09,460
successfully able to keep it from you

2627
01:56:12,839 --> 01:56:11,349
know the teachers and the parents and it

2628
01:56:15,859 --> 01:56:12,849
was only when all over himself brought

2629
01:56:18,660 --> 01:56:15,869
it up that he began to realize there was

2630
01:56:21,149 --> 01:56:18,670
undercurrent of this phenomenon being

2631
01:56:23,010 --> 01:56:21,159
discussed and none of the old died so to

2632
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:23,020
speak as he worded it know anything

2633
01:56:28,109 --> 01:56:25,840
about it and they smade all I think well

2634
01:56:29,879 --> 01:56:28,119
this is my son school what about the

2635
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:29,889
school down the road what about the

2636
01:56:34,290 --> 01:56:32,290
school in the next county or in the next

2637
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:34,300
schools in the next stage the next

2638
01:56:39,110 --> 01:56:36,850
country's the next continents

2639
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:39,120
realize if there was a sort of silence

2640
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:42,130
going under the radar so to speak of all

2641
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:45,250
these kids obsessed with this and nobody

2642
01:56:49,890 --> 01:56:47,590
knowing about it other than the kid to

2643
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:49,900
themselves well then saying you know

2644
01:56:54,570 --> 01:56:53,410
that's that's a real conspiracy right

2645
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,580
there and that's it

2646
01:56:58,890 --> 01:56:56,800
that's a Lord of the Flies type of

2647
01:57:02,400 --> 01:56:58,900
conspiracy I mean if you know what I

2648
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,410
mean I think we're gonna take a break

2649
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:04,480
and then you know final third of his

2650
01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:06,610
show with Michael Allen our guest

2651
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:10,030
co-host Nick Redfern we're doing the

2652
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:12,130
Slender Man mysteries I was thinking we

2653
01:57:39,210 --> 01:57:28,810
can call the book the Slender Man you're

2654
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:39,220
in attack of the rock oiks has been well

2655
01:57:42,990 --> 01:57:41,170
received by critics and readers alike

2656
01:57:45,540 --> 01:57:43,000
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

2657
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:45,550
never forget a former US military

2658
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:47,890
intelligence officer is haunted by

2659
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:50,170
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

2660
01:57:55,530 --> 01:57:52,810
pleading for his help after a terrible

2661
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:55,540
battle in outer space but the dreams

2662
01:57:59,280 --> 01:57:57,610
turned out to be true and thrust him

2663
01:58:02,340 --> 01:57:59,290
into a telepathic love affair with a

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whether the bumpers can be long or short

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if I say long next time he's going to

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give us a 12-minute all right bumper the

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problem with that is of course that's

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longer than a normal segment for the

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show I actually think that he'll run out

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of a certain point we could test him on

2772
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that

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now he's of another planet so it doesn't

2774
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is that the one that's gonna hit the

2775
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earth on the April 23rd or something

2776
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like that was the end of the world

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wouldn't Planet X is supposed to slam

2778
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into there how many times have we heard

2779
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is this a worldwide phenomenon Slender

2780
02:03:02,770 --> 02:02:59,540
Man no everywhere I mean I mentioned

2781
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very briefly earlier that the in Germany

2782
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of they have their own equivalent called

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der Grossmann which is like a tall

2784
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skinny creature which has actually been

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quite deeply embedded into the fictional

2786
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Slender Man phenomenon of today now I

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02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,020
also interviewed a guy for the book who

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actually lives in England and had an

2789
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encounter with a Slender Man type entity

2790
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in 2001 and he told me how Nami Barry

2791
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money told the story to me in 2005 and

2792
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so this was four years before the

2793
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:35,420
Slender Man phenomena was created but he

2794
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had seen this strange creature in an

2795
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area of forests in central England

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called the Cannock Chase which actually

2797
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has a long history of paranormal

2798
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activity attached to it but he said he

2799
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saw these sort of seven to nine foot

2800
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tall Findley creature with arms down to

2801
02:03:55,540 --> 02:03:52,670
its knees very skinny and he said the

2802
02:03:57,160 --> 02:03:55,550
face was like weirdly you couldn't

2803
02:03:59,200 --> 02:03:57,170
distinguish it properly was almost like

2804
02:04:00,550 --> 02:03:59,210
it was imagined it like a face moving

2805
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:00,560
really really quickly

2806
02:04:05,290 --> 02:04:02,690
but so quickly that it was just a blur

2807
02:04:07,660 --> 02:04:05,300
do you know he related this story to me

2808
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:07,670
I still have his original email from

2809
02:04:11,860 --> 02:04:10,400
from you know the mid-2000s on file you

2810
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know where can prove that he told all

2811
02:04:17,140 --> 02:04:13,830
this story for you

2812
02:04:19,610 --> 02:04:17,150
before the Slender Man story was even on

2813
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:19,620
anybody's radar so you know we've got

2814
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:22,050
Germany we've got the UK and it's not

2815
02:04:26,690 --> 02:04:24,210
just Western cultures you know as I said

2816
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:26,700
earlier Native American lore they have a

2817
02:04:32,150 --> 02:04:29,790
creature called walking Sam which again

2818
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:32,160
he's a tall skinny figure that wears a

2819
02:04:37,150 --> 02:04:34,890
hat and he's kind of vaguely like a man

2820
02:04:40,490 --> 02:04:37,160
in black type character and he's also

2821
02:04:43,130 --> 02:04:40,500
dangerous to children again you can find

2822
02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:43,140
these things all around the world but

2823
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:44,820
they have their own names in their own

2824
02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:46,850
little towns and villages and their own

2825
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:49,440
cultures you know like the Pied Piper in

2826
02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:51,210
Germany you put all these issues

2827
02:04:57,050 --> 02:04:53,490
together then yes you can make a good

2828
02:05:00,440 --> 02:04:57,060
case that the Slenderman is just about

2829
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:00,450
everywhere and may well in some form

2830
02:05:06,290 --> 02:05:04,320
have existed before it became known by

2831
02:05:08,540 --> 02:05:06,300
its most visible and famous or infamous

2832
02:05:11,660 --> 02:05:08,550
name today of the Slenderman there's

2833
02:05:15,140 --> 02:05:11,670
good evidence it was it was pre-existing

2834
02:05:17,180 --> 02:05:15,150
but subconsciously was sort of brought

2835
02:05:19,850 --> 02:05:17,190
or even willed if you like into the

2836
02:05:22,010 --> 02:05:19,860
modern era well and I have something to

2837
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add to that that might I don't know if

2838
02:05:25,460 --> 02:05:24,510
you've ever read Robert Jordan The Wheel

2839
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:25,470
of Time

2840
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:28,530
it's a massive he's considered like the

2841
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toe pain of the modern age he wrote a 13

2842
02:05:39,050 --> 02:05:35,060
volume book of The Wheel of Time and

2843
02:05:43,250 --> 02:05:39,060
there is this being called a moral which

2844
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:43,260
has no eyes and that's about as close to

2845
02:05:48,020 --> 02:05:46,290
a non face as you can get there spend

2846
02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:48,030
elite looking beings I mean they don't

2847
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have tentacles the eyeless but they can

2848
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see kind of that whole aspect of them

2849
02:06:00,320 --> 02:05:57,900
and then being dark and extremely quick

2850
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:00,330
strong and they're also called by the

2851
02:06:06,350 --> 02:06:04,110
way grey men in some instances which is

2852
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:06,360
really interesting but I mean even in

2853
02:06:10,460 --> 02:06:08,880
the you know modern mythology

2854
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you know the Wheel of Time you know

2855
02:06:15,980 --> 02:06:13,460
fantasy you see this the instances of

2856
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:15,990
what I would consider at least from the

2857
02:06:21,230 --> 02:06:18,450
faceless point of view if you have no

2858
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,240
eyes you might as well have no face they

2859
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:23,520
can see with perfect clarity that their

2860
02:06:27,380 --> 02:06:25,170
appearance never buries and they're

2861
02:06:29,390 --> 02:06:27,390
always male they're identical

2862
02:06:32,690 --> 02:06:29,400
and features and Bill's always described

2863
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:32,700
as that of a tall man and very thin so

2864
02:06:36,260 --> 02:06:34,650
it's a very interesting you know

2865
02:06:37,940 --> 02:06:36,270
something you might you might be

2866
02:06:40,130 --> 02:06:37,950
interested if you have if you've never

2867
02:06:43,460 --> 02:06:40,140
read The Wheel of Time that this being

2868
02:06:48,140 --> 02:06:43,470
is what is a massive player in that

2869
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:48,150
story that epic it's a very I think that

2870
02:06:53,780 --> 02:06:49,850
you're right there's something very

2871
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,790
primordial about it and I think you know

2872
02:06:58,400 --> 02:06:55,920
people need to study it more get to the

2873
02:07:00,860 --> 02:06:58,410
bottom of it yeah I think one of the

2874
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:00,870
problems of course is that the so many

2875
02:07:06,590 --> 02:07:04,050
you know people just perceive it as as a

2876
02:07:08,270 --> 02:07:06,600
fictional creation which is sort of

2877
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disturbed the minds of a number of

2878
02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:10,890
people who then become you know sort of

2879
02:07:15,710 --> 02:07:13,860
infamous in the media and so forth when

2880
02:07:17,900 --> 02:07:15,720
you're look into a deeper and you speak

2881
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:17,910
to the witnesses who actually haven't

2882
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:19,770
gone on the record but you know swear

2883
02:07:25,220 --> 02:07:22,770
I've seen this being this entity it

2884
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:25,230
really is difficult you know to suggest

2885
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:28,370
that that really is just psychological

2886
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:31,530
you know any and he does create sort of

2887
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:34,320
a creepy vibe I mean you know you

2888
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,810
mentioned they sort of you know these

2889
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:38,880
creepy creatures you just talked about

2890
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:41,760
with our eyes well I mean a perfect

2891
02:07:48,380 --> 02:07:46,110
example of similarity 2007 movie which

2892
02:07:51,380 --> 02:07:48,390
you may have seen Pan's Labyrinth now

2893
02:07:53,330 --> 02:07:51,390
Pan's Labyrinth is sort of like an it's

2894
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:53,340
like a like an adult version of a Harry

2895
02:07:57,980 --> 02:07:55,650
Potter movie it involves this young girl

2896
02:08:01,310 --> 02:07:57,990
of failure in the in spying in the

2897
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:01,320
Second World War who descends into this

2898
02:08:05,870 --> 02:08:03,840
state where she lives with these you

2899
02:08:08,330 --> 02:08:05,880
know dreams if you like with these sort

2900
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:08,340
of strange magical entities kind of

2901
02:08:14,300 --> 02:08:11,450
straight out of a Harry Potter movie or

2902
02:08:17,450 --> 02:08:14,310
novel but you're never really sure if

2903
02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:17,460
she's actually accessed a real magical

2904
02:08:20,810 --> 02:08:18,830
world or if it's just her mind

2905
02:08:24,350 --> 02:08:20,820
disintegrating and trying to find a way

2906
02:08:26,510 --> 02:08:24,360
to you know cushion the drawer of the

2907
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:26,520
war but what's interesting there in

2908
02:08:31,010 --> 02:08:29,010
Pan's Labyrinth you have these this

2909
02:08:32,990 --> 02:08:31,020
character known as the pale man who has

2910
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:33,000
no eyes and he's his eyes are actually

2911
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:36,210
in his palm of his hands now what's

2912
02:08:41,069 --> 02:08:38,880
particularly interesting he said the guy

2913
02:08:43,349 --> 02:08:41,079
who played the pale man

2914
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:43,359
in Pan's Labyrinth is an actor named

2915
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:46,300
Doug Jones and Doug Jones just happened

2916
02:08:52,259 --> 02:08:48,489
to be the man who played the Slender Man

2917
02:08:54,839 --> 02:08:52,269
type character in the 2015 movie called

2918
02:08:57,270 --> 02:08:54,849
always watching which is basically based

2919
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,280
around the Slender Man so again you'd be

2920
02:09:01,020 --> 02:08:59,679
sort of weird synchronicities you know

2921
02:09:03,659 --> 02:09:01,030
that kind of tie me what you've just

2922
02:09:05,069 --> 02:09:03,669
said about these faceless entities and

2923
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:05,079
making the link with Pan's Labyrinth

2924
02:09:16,619 --> 02:09:08,649
which leads directly to a movie link to

2925
02:09:18,299 --> 02:09:16,629
the Slender Man did you say pale what I

2926
02:09:20,969 --> 02:09:18,309
mean I'm looking at an image right now

2927
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and that's exactly what they are they

2928
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are not human but they're close enough

2929
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to being human to be something that's

2930
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recognizable and I think that is a very

2931
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significant point that people need to

2932
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look at I mean you know that's that's

2933
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really is that goes beyond synchronicity

2934
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mm-hmm sort of looking for the threads I

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think more than anything else but of

2936
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course you know I think a lot of people

2937
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just aren't looking into the paranormal

2938
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angle I mean certainly you know when the

2939
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two girls were wearing court you know

2940
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you had psychologists and psychiatrists

2941
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talking about this and that very few

2942
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people really have touched on the

2943
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potential paranormal aspect of all this

2944
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and you know I think it's it's an area

2945
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that should be touched on more that

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

3048
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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

3049
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

3050
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that George snoring that is the one

3051
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worst singing I've ever heard Nick this

3052
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spontaneity this spontaneity mm-hmm for

3053
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me you know when you put all these

3054
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different threads together like for

3055
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example you know in Waukesha where the

3056
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girls launch the attack but then you

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find there was a similar case in 21 it

3058
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was a similar case in 1995 and then you

3059
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find you know people have seen the

3060
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Slenderman on the internet you know

3061
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they've come into life or in the middle

3062
02:15:33,640 --> 02:15:31,550
of the night why is it that this isn't

3063
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:33,650
happening with a lot of other strange

3064
02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:36,110
phenomena in Tucson it does you know but

3065
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:37,330
there are certain other ones it doesn't

3066
02:15:42,220 --> 02:15:40,130
why is it that people are getting so

3067
02:15:44,860 --> 02:15:42,230
obsessed with it why does the obsession

3068
02:15:45,790 --> 02:15:44,870
keep ending in tragedy and death and

3069
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:45,800
disaster

3070
02:15:51,460 --> 02:15:48,560
how is it that the obsession developed

3071
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:51,470
so quickly and I think you know it's

3072
02:15:59,400 --> 02:15:53,330
important to go back and look at the

3073
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you know when you see this requirement

3074
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now its omega-3 for one of the dogs that

3075
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probably needs omega-3 and then the

3076
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:19,400
other dog doesn't need them at least

3077
02:16:23,620 --> 02:16:21,290
that's what I think is my interpretation

3078
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:23,630
correct gene we're just gonna pretend

3079
02:16:29,450 --> 02:16:34,330
[Music]

3080
02:16:34,340 --> 02:16:38,459
what was that talking about again

3081
02:16:42,669 --> 02:16:40,390
talking about putting all the threads

3082
02:16:45,580 --> 02:16:42,679
together you know as to how why all this

3083
02:16:48,310 --> 02:16:45,590
I think committees a valid scenario that

3084
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fiction has become reality and the

3085
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reality has become self-aware and

3086
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independence and

3087
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now and that's when it becomes dangerous

3088
02:16:57,500 --> 02:16:55,079
and that's that's the position we're in

3089
02:17:00,500 --> 02:16:57,510
right now I think well I think I really

3090
02:17:04,909 --> 02:17:00,510
enjoyed our talk by the way I like your

3091
02:17:07,219 --> 02:17:04,919
your approach Nick I wish I I wish I'd

3092
02:17:10,250 --> 02:17:07,229
read more of your books and I haven't

3093
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:10,260
and I need to and buy more I mean more

3094
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than zero is that you sound like a

3095
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person who likes to just who collects

3096
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the stories and tries to connect the

3097
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dots and make it make sense out of it

3098
02:17:25,129 --> 02:17:22,109
but you you let the reader decide on

3099
02:17:26,869 --> 02:17:25,139
what what they need to thank you you

3100
02:17:29,929 --> 02:17:26,879
give your opinion when it when it's

3101
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necessary or you feel like it but I I

3102
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really have enjoyed this discussion this

3103
02:17:40,459 --> 02:17:35,340
has been a very fascinating talk let's

3104
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continue I was here well what was just

3105
02:17:44,869 --> 02:17:41,909
said he's actually correct you know what

3106
02:17:47,330 --> 02:17:44,879
I do is like dig as deeply as I can into

3107
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the mystery whichever one it is you know

3108
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Slenderman Roswell whatever and present

3109
02:17:54,169 --> 02:17:51,749
for the reader the data that I've found

3110
02:17:56,269 --> 02:17:54,179
and uncovered and present also the day

3111
02:17:59,299 --> 02:17:56,279
to which I think pushes it down the path

3112
02:18:01,429 --> 02:17:59,309
that I think is the right one but I just

3113
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:01,439
don't think it's the responsible thing

3114
02:18:08,239 --> 02:18:05,340
to do to demand that people accept my

3115
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theory as the correct one because you

3116
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know the Ewing UFO still stands for

3117
02:18:15,379 --> 02:18:13,319
unidentified and the paranormal still

3118
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called the paranormal because we don't

3119
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:17,249
really know it's not normal we don't

3120
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know what it is

3121
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so it's irresponsible to demand that

3122
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people go along with what you say

3123
02:18:28,699 --> 02:18:26,249
although I think it's right to share

3124
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what you found and also right to share

3125
02:18:34,549 --> 02:18:31,349
your theories but don't you know make it

3126
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like I said earlier like some crazy guy

3127
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on the pulpit demanding you accept this

3128
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or else you're gonna burn in hell and he

3129
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knows that for sure well the fact is he

3130
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doesn't know that for sure and I don't

3131
02:18:49,549 --> 02:18:45,409
know for sure what happened at Roswell

3132
02:18:51,859 --> 02:18:49,559
but I can offer my fears as to what I

3133
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think came down and I think that's and

3134
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that kind of paralleling we've slide

3135
02:18:56,540 --> 02:18:55,019
Slenderman

3136
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that's the best thing you can do you

3137
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know if you want to stay true and honest

3138
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to your own well I mean I mean if you if

3139
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you collect the stories and you pull

3140
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them

3141
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ancient you know the ancient stories the

3142
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things the means that but we can't we

3143
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:16,170
can call them Ark types we can call them

3144
02:19:20,030 --> 02:19:18,090
memes but they're really the same thing

3145
02:19:21,980 --> 02:19:20,040
they're they dwell within the

3146
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subconscious of the human mind and then

3147
02:19:27,799 --> 02:19:24,689
they sublimate somehow you know a good

3148
02:19:29,330 --> 02:19:27,809
honest objective study I think is is

3149
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:29,340
what is needed and I think you've

3150
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fulfilled that requirement I mean and

3151
02:19:38,690 --> 02:19:35,429
this is coming from somebody who hasn't

3152
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:38,700
read your books but I've listened to you

3153
02:19:43,390 --> 02:19:41,130
talk and I don't have to say that's

3154
02:19:47,060 --> 02:19:43,400
that's a very good thing I like that

3155
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:47,070
right first I personally I have the same

3156
02:19:51,860 --> 02:19:49,770
feeling I have no idea you know in every

3157
02:19:54,980 --> 02:19:51,870
single incident that I've ever read I

3158
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:54,990
have no idea what it is I am you know I

3159
02:20:00,500 --> 02:19:57,450
read different theories on what's going

3160
02:20:02,660 --> 02:20:00,510
on and I read stuff but you know people

3161
02:20:05,210 --> 02:20:02,670
give their opinions but you know what's

3162
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:05,220
most important to me is the story and

3163
02:20:10,700 --> 02:20:08,370
how the lines connect and maybe perhaps

3164
02:20:12,590 --> 02:20:10,710
we just haven't looked at it in the way

3165
02:20:15,440 --> 02:20:12,600
that we should be you know in other

3166
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:15,450
words we haven't seen it in then we

3167
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:18,479
haven't looked at it in that way that

3168
02:20:24,290 --> 02:20:20,610
needs to be looked at in order for us to

3169
02:20:26,450 --> 02:20:24,300
make sense out of all of this and you

3170
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:26,460
know props to you man I mean that's

3171
02:20:32,390 --> 02:20:29,760
awesome well thanks you I mean I do what

3172
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:32,400
I could do you know and when we don't

3173
02:20:36,500 --> 02:20:34,170
know answers I say we don't know answers

3174
02:20:38,300 --> 02:20:36,510
you know try not to speculate too much

3175
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:38,310
you know a bit of speculation is good

3176
02:20:44,530 --> 02:20:41,280
but trying just to go with what the data

3177
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:44,540
is you know whether it's limited or not

3178
02:20:49,340 --> 02:20:47,130
at the end of the day that really is all

3179
02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:49,350
we can do unless you want to just wildly

3180
02:20:55,340 --> 02:20:51,570
speculate but then it just comes across

3181
02:20:58,610 --> 02:20:55,350
as wild speculation you know I saw an

3182
02:21:01,400 --> 02:20:58,620
article here that a very small article

3183
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:01,410
at your blog that kind of struck me and

3184
02:21:07,580 --> 02:21:04,770
I think we've certainly acquainted our

3185
02:21:09,230 --> 02:21:07,590
listeners here with Slenderman and I

3186
02:21:11,719 --> 02:21:09,240
recommend the book because anything Nick

3187
02:21:14,510 --> 02:21:11,729
writes is just well-written and this is

3188
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a breezy read the Slender Man mysteries

3189
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:16,680
and Internet urban legend comes to life

3190
02:21:20,690 --> 02:21:18,210
with this struck

3191
02:21:22,940 --> 02:21:20,700
me here and was something you wrote on

3192
02:21:25,580 --> 02:21:22,950
February 22nd it's been a while since

3193
02:21:30,500 --> 02:21:25,590
we've had you on the para cast if

3194
02:21:32,570 --> 02:21:30,510
Roswell should fall now I think to a

3195
02:21:40,340 --> 02:21:32,580
number of people here Roswell fell a

3196
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:40,350
long time ago well and and to be honest

3197
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:44,720
I mean Roswell is so far back in history

3198
02:21:52,940 --> 02:21:47,760
who knows I mean what is the correct

3199
02:21:54,830 --> 02:21:52,950
answer to Roswell I call it like a you

3200
02:21:56,360 --> 02:21:54,840
for logical Jack the Ripper you know

3201
02:21:57,710 --> 02:21:56,370
where you've got dozens of a different

3202
02:22:01,040 --> 02:21:57,720
theory or a lot of different theories

3203
02:22:03,770 --> 02:22:01,050
but it's so far gone everybody's dead

3204
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,780
and you left with well I think it was

3205
02:22:08,930 --> 02:22:06,000
this I think it was that no she thinks

3206
02:22:12,320 --> 02:22:08,940
this and that's where we're at it's

3207
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:12,330
become it's become like a UFO version of

3208
02:22:18,740 --> 02:22:16,770
Jack the Ripper you know the high priest

3209
02:22:20,719 --> 02:22:18,750
Stanton Friedman himself it will tell

3210
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:20,729
you the whole story and either accept it

3211
02:22:25,310 --> 02:22:23,760
or you reject it I mean I like I like

3212
02:22:28,340 --> 02:22:25,320
Stanton Freeman I like the work that

3213
02:22:30,410 --> 02:22:28,350
he's done but in all honesty there's you

3214
02:22:33,260 --> 02:22:30,420
know the Roswell stories got so much

3215
02:22:36,410 --> 02:22:33,270
holes in it shot through it and I like

3216
02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:36,420
his thesis by the way let Nick finish

3217
02:22:39,950 --> 02:22:37,170
all right go ahead

3218
02:22:42,020 --> 02:22:39,960
I saw stand actually the last weekend

3219
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:42,030
we're this weekend just go away you know

3220
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:43,920
and we get on fine we had a good laugh

3221
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:45,930
and a joke we just disagree on what

3222
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:47,850
happened at Roswell but I think you know

3223
02:22:52,850 --> 02:22:50,970
Slenderman Roswell whatever it is just

3224
02:22:54,830 --> 02:22:52,860
just keep looking you know that's all we

3225
02:22:57,350 --> 02:22:54,840
can really does and hopefully we'll get

3226
02:23:01,250 --> 02:22:57,360
the answers one day well the problem you

3227
02:23:04,219 --> 02:23:01,260
see with Roswell is that it's so old

3228
02:23:05,690 --> 02:23:04,229
there's nobody alive to talk to unless

3229
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:05,700
they're really really old maybe there's

3230
02:23:09,850 --> 02:23:08,160
somebody out there 103 years old who can

3231
02:23:14,270 --> 02:23:09,860
tell us about Roswell they were there

3232
02:23:17,719 --> 02:23:14,280
but we get stuff like this and it just

3233
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:17,729
gets a life of its own and nothing

3234
02:23:22,130 --> 02:23:19,410
changes just like with Stanton Friedman

3235
02:23:24,860 --> 02:23:22,140
and what Nick is talking about here is

3236
02:23:27,530 --> 02:23:24,870
stan is on his final lecture tour he's

3237
02:23:29,780 --> 02:23:27,540
gonna take it easy enjoy his life and

3238
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:29,790
everything like that so when we talk

3239
02:23:33,980 --> 02:23:32,250
about this we've got this

3240
02:23:38,300 --> 02:23:33,990
this story and we need to repeat the

3241
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:38,310
same old memes as Stan does or we try to

3242
02:23:46,910 --> 02:23:43,050
find some basis to either give it some

3243
02:23:51,610 --> 02:23:46,920
sort of category or be done with it and

3244
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:51,620
I kind of go with the idea that Roswell

3245
02:23:56,060 --> 02:23:53,850
involves something that might have been

3246
02:23:58,400 --> 02:23:56,070
a little bit strange or something that

3247
02:24:00,920 --> 02:23:58,410
we're not sure about but at this point

3248
02:24:03,620 --> 02:24:00,930
we'll never solve it got more to come

3249
02:24:04,190 --> 02:24:03,630
one more segment I'll allow this to

3250
02:24:09,220 --> 02:24:04,200
happen

3251
02:24:09,420 --> 02:24:09,230
Nick gene and Michael you're in

3252
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:09,430
[Music]

3253
02:24:19,530 --> 02:24:28,860
[Applause]

3254
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3268
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there is the coming of the protectors a

3269
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3270
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3271
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3272
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because evil forces on our distant

3273
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

3274
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this is gripping science fiction of the

3275
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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

3276
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the coming of the protectors find out

3277
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3278
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3279
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3281
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until one day I chose to leave my family

3283
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3284
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3285
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we shoot hunt garden and homeschool our

3286
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3287
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nanny state looking over us if you're

3288
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ready to flee the city to the freedom of

3289
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3292
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3293
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3294
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generation time after time after time if

3295
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you follow the money then you understand

3296
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why America's in the conditions and 1913

3297
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through lies

3298
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3299
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through 911 either he's fighting a war

3300
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on terror and that wasn't he going to

3301
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Iraq which was another lie just before

3302
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3307
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3314
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3315
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3316
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3317
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3318
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3319
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3320
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my real health began going downhill I

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3322
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3325
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3330
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Dan pillow do you have the IRS money you

3344
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can't pay our tax debts crippling you

3345
02:28:15,269 --> 02:28:14,380
I've defended people from the IRS for

3346
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over 30 years

3347
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I've helped thousands and I can help you

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too I wrote the book on IRS settlement

3349
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and I'm telling you there's no such

3350
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thing as a hopeless case call 834 no tax

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to finally get free of IRS debt with the

3352
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better time to solve your problem call

3354
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834 no tax that's 803 for no tax or my

3355
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website Danville accom this is Robert

3356
02:28:53,340 --> 02:28:51,280
Hastings offer of UFOs and MOOCs and

3357
02:29:01,410 --> 02:28:53,350
you're listening to the podcast the gold

3358
02:29:05,220 --> 02:29:01,420
standard a paranormal radio it's the

3359
02:29:07,650 --> 02:29:05,230
power cast ladies and gentlemen Nick and

3360
02:29:11,010 --> 02:29:07,660
Michael are fighting amongst each other

3361
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:11,020
to see who can do the best para cast we

3362
02:29:15,060 --> 02:29:12,790
should mention here Michael also plays

3363
02:29:28,350 --> 02:29:15,070
piano although he got burned out a few

3364
02:29:30,930 --> 02:29:28,360
years ago I think he had hot keys okay

3365
02:29:35,250 --> 02:29:30,940
hot keys there we go the thing I wonder

3366
02:29:38,040 --> 02:29:35,260
about Nick is we hear these stories in

3367
02:29:41,580 --> 02:29:38,050
the UFO field and sometimes we just see

3368
02:29:43,650 --> 02:29:41,590
stuff that you're debunk so well it just

3369
02:29:47,430 --> 02:29:43,660
comes back and it comes back and it

3370
02:29:50,760 --> 02:29:47,440
becomes like as our old friend Paul

3371
02:29:53,970 --> 02:29:50,770
Kimball said like Dracula drive a stake

3372
02:29:56,670 --> 02:29:53,980
through a stick and just keeps coming

3373
02:29:59,070 --> 02:29:56,680
back drive a stake through Roswell it

3374
02:30:02,220 --> 02:29:59,080
keeps coming back drive a stake through

3375
02:30:05,220 --> 02:30:02,230
a UFO researcher you know figuratively

3376
02:30:07,740 --> 02:30:05,230
not literally you expose them as being

3377
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:07,750
fakers that they did not get doctorates

3378
02:30:11,550 --> 02:30:10,450
at MIT and they come back as if nothing

3379
02:30:14,490 --> 02:30:11,560
ever happened

3380
02:30:17,310 --> 02:30:14,500
Nick how do we deal with stuff like that

3381
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:17,320
if we're just revisiting the past over

3382
02:30:20,370 --> 02:30:19,210
and over again and some people say I

3383
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:20,380
live in the past

3384
02:30:23,550 --> 02:30:22,810
yeah the problem is we shouldn't be what

3385
02:30:26,010 --> 02:30:23,560
we should do

3386
02:30:28,830 --> 02:30:26,020
unfortunately a lot of people in ufology

3387
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:28,840
who wants Roswell to be Lee so they want

3388
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:31,690
Roswell to be that well I my view is we

3389
02:30:36,420 --> 02:30:34,210
should take just a totally impartial

3390
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:36,430
view you know it's kind of like in

3391
02:30:41,220 --> 02:30:38,800
ufology and cryptozoology just about

3392
02:30:44,130 --> 02:30:41,230
every other ology you've got believers

3393
02:30:46,830 --> 02:30:44,140
skeptics debunkers well what's wrong

3394
02:30:47,711 --> 02:30:46,840
with just having someone who looks at a

3395
02:30:50,770 --> 02:30:47,721
case

3396
02:30:52,841 --> 02:30:50,780
with no agenda at all and that's what I

3397
02:30:55,501 --> 02:30:52,851
try and do you know I try and look at

3398
02:30:58,301 --> 02:30:55,511
everything from a totally open

3399
02:31:00,761 --> 02:30:58,311
perspective you know I've no need to

3400
02:31:02,860 --> 02:31:00,771
push this agenda for Slenderman any more

3401
02:31:05,621 --> 02:31:02,870
than I have any need to push an agenda

3402
02:31:08,470 --> 02:31:05,631
for Roswell I think all of us should

3403
02:31:11,230 --> 02:31:08,480
just go and see where the evidence leads

3404
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:11,240
and if it goes somewhere you like that's

3405
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:12,650
great if you don't hold your view that

3406
02:31:16,841 --> 02:31:14,690
Roswell really was alien that's great

3407
02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:16,851
either data pushes you down a different

3408
02:31:21,581 --> 02:31:18,530
path same with some sort of military

3409
02:31:23,711 --> 02:31:21,591
experiments and you hate it and you

3410
02:31:24,820 --> 02:31:23,721
don't want it to believe that but if

3411
02:31:27,881 --> 02:31:24,830
you're honest enough to admit to

3412
02:31:29,621 --> 02:31:27,891
yourself well I think it was then that I

3413
02:31:32,110 --> 02:31:29,631
think is the way we should be doing the

3414
02:31:33,940 --> 02:31:32,120
research not just you know so Greg

3415
02:31:37,150 --> 02:31:33,950
Bishop calls UFO porn

3416
02:31:40,900 --> 02:31:37,160
in other words giving people exciting

3417
02:31:43,450 --> 02:31:40,910
stories instead of giving them hard fact

3418
02:31:45,671 --> 02:31:43,460
well I'd like to have a few hard facts

3419
02:31:48,520 --> 02:31:45,681
but what could we do with them it's like

3420
02:31:50,501 --> 02:31:48,530
reading the same report or a similar

3421
02:31:54,100 --> 02:31:50,511
report of the UFO sighting and I'll

3422
02:31:58,661 --> 02:31:54,110
mention of course month on signing 400

3423
02:32:00,400 --> 02:31:58,671
times and my god it's enough how many

3424
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:00,410
times coming up just write about Roswell

3425
02:32:05,711 --> 02:32:03,410
but say for example the cash Landrum

3426
02:32:07,961 --> 02:32:05,721
case or you know the McMinnville

3427
02:32:10,631 --> 02:32:07,971
photograph is it real or is it a car

3428
02:32:12,791 --> 02:32:10,641
where you'll or whatever there's far

3429
02:32:15,430 --> 02:32:12,801
more debate then there is answers coming

3430
02:32:17,291 --> 02:32:15,440
forward part of it is just due to the

3431
02:32:18,970 --> 02:32:17,301
fact that people want their belief

3432
02:32:21,161 --> 02:32:18,980
systems upheld and when they get

3433
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:21,171
questioned they put out another book

3434
02:32:25,661 --> 02:32:23,570
explaining white or correct you know

3435
02:32:27,730 --> 02:32:25,671
that kind of thing so that says more

3436
02:32:29,680 --> 02:32:27,740
about people because you can then he

3437
02:32:32,320 --> 02:32:29,690
does about ufology because you get the

3438
02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:32,330
same arguments but different subtopic

3439
02:32:36,671 --> 02:32:34,610
but the design of the arguments is just

3440
02:32:39,251 --> 02:32:36,681
the same in ghost hunting or Bigfoot

3441
02:32:41,591 --> 02:32:39,261
seeking or you know people go looking

3442
02:32:44,350 --> 02:32:41,601
for Mothman or people who want to try

3443
02:32:47,081 --> 02:32:44,360
and solve the Kennedy assassination it's

3444
02:32:49,150 --> 02:32:47,091
all exactly the same approach you know I

3445
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:49,160
believe this well he believes that she

3446
02:32:53,591 --> 02:32:51,290
believes that and another book comes out

3447
02:32:55,060 --> 02:32:53,601
with another theory or another book of

3448
02:32:58,081 --> 02:32:55,070
holes are different you know an earlier

3449
02:33:00,430 --> 02:32:58,091
theory it's not something that is

3450
02:33:04,091 --> 02:33:00,440
basically sort of driven

3451
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:04,101
and ufology it revolves and every single

3452
02:33:08,950 --> 02:33:06,650
mystery has ever been investigated

3453
02:33:11,620 --> 02:33:08,960
really popular ones that have been

3454
02:33:14,530 --> 02:33:11,630
solved yeah and but the thing we also

3455
02:33:17,261 --> 02:33:14,540
have to consider here is is any of this

3456
02:33:19,841 --> 02:33:17,271
solvable are we gonna solve Slenderman

3457
02:33:22,810 --> 02:33:19,851
gonna wake up one day and uh that's it

3458
02:33:25,570 --> 02:33:22,820
cool so Roz Bell will wake up one day

3459
02:33:28,450 --> 02:33:25,580
that's cool well in terms of Roswell

3460
02:33:30,520 --> 02:33:28,460
Roswell could actually be solved if the

3461
02:33:32,591 --> 02:33:30,530
old files still exist in one day they

3462
02:33:35,140 --> 02:33:32,601
surface regardless of what happened at

3463
02:33:37,091 --> 02:33:35,150
Roswell whether it was a UFO crash with

3464
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:37,101
dead aliens or it was some sort of

3465
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:39,110
bizarre and disturbing military

3466
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:41,690
experiment you know using human test

3467
02:33:45,881 --> 02:33:43,040
subjects or something like that whatever

3468
02:33:48,011 --> 02:33:45,891
the answer is somewhere those files are

3469
02:33:49,870 --> 02:33:48,021
still tucked away and so there's a

3470
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:49,880
potential one day that we could solve it

3471
02:33:55,060 --> 02:33:52,250
if say those files were released either

3472
02:33:57,460 --> 02:33:55,070
deliberately or you know accidentally or

3473
02:33:59,110 --> 02:33:57,470
kind of like a you for logical Edward

3474
02:34:02,620 --> 02:33:59,120
Snowden you know something that was

3475
02:34:04,540 --> 02:34:02,630
totally unforeseen when it comes to you

3476
02:34:06,910 --> 02:34:04,550
know solving it that's a possible that

3477
02:34:08,591 --> 02:34:06,920
could be solved if that happened I guess

3478
02:34:11,370 --> 02:34:08,601
the only way you could prove something

3479
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:11,380
like the Slenderman is to sort of

3480
02:34:20,680 --> 02:34:15,200
initiate similar experiments to try and

3481
02:34:23,261 --> 02:34:20,690
create thought-forms of other but not to

3482
02:34:27,250 --> 02:34:23,271
tell anybody keep it totally quiet and

3483
02:34:30,370 --> 02:34:27,260
then see if people start seeing that

3484
02:34:32,290 --> 02:34:30,380
entity that you took from fictions in

3485
02:34:33,761 --> 02:34:32,300
fact but you know it's a small group of

3486
02:34:36,551 --> 02:34:33,771
people that are focusing on it

3487
02:34:39,790 --> 02:34:36,561
they agree not to tell anyone and then

3488
02:34:42,220 --> 02:34:39,800
if suddenly a Tulpa version of some

3489
02:34:44,650 --> 02:34:42,230
famous creature from from the world of

3490
02:34:46,330 --> 02:34:44,660
fiction suddenly starts to be seen then

3491
02:34:48,551 --> 02:34:46,340
at least you could make some degree of a

3492
02:34:50,860 --> 02:34:48,561
case that this can be achieved you know

3493
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:50,870
I think what you're saying you know I

3494
02:34:54,460 --> 02:34:52,490
can give you an a personal experience

3495
02:34:56,560 --> 02:34:54,470
that where there was something that I

3496
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:56,570
didn't believe existed until somebody

3497
02:35:01,960 --> 02:34:59,680
told me in the context of religion I

3498
02:35:05,230 --> 02:35:01,970
joined a religion for a while and I'm

3499
02:35:08,320 --> 02:35:05,240
not going to name what it is but no it's

3500
02:35:09,850 --> 02:35:08,330
not Scientology I hope no it's not and

3501
02:35:11,980 --> 02:35:09,860
I'm not gonna name what it is because I

3502
02:35:14,019 --> 02:35:11,990
don't want to name it but being called a

3503
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:14,029
muckle which is a bright

3504
02:35:19,779 --> 02:35:16,640
flash of brief light that would appear

3505
02:35:21,729 --> 02:35:19,789
my wife would tell me about it and say

3506
02:35:24,189 --> 02:35:21,739
these are the things that they come out

3507
02:35:25,420 --> 02:35:24,199
and they're called muggles after she

3508
02:35:28,210 --> 02:35:25,430
told me about them

3509
02:35:31,300 --> 02:35:28,220
I saw them everywhere it was really

3510
02:35:33,849 --> 02:35:31,310
weird by the way I'm an atheist I don't

3511
02:35:37,329 --> 02:35:33,859
believe in anything at least now I don't

3512
02:35:40,719 --> 02:35:37,339
but I remember leaving in it and I

3513
02:35:42,729 --> 02:35:40,729
remember looking in the dark spaces when

3514
02:35:45,340 --> 02:35:42,739
I was falling asleep and seeing one out

3515
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:45,350
of the corner of my eye and I will tell

3516
02:35:50,109 --> 02:35:47,930
you there are something to that you know

3517
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:50,119
when you believe in something and when

3518
02:35:55,239 --> 02:35:52,850
you put your mind on an entity and

3519
02:35:58,000 --> 02:35:55,249
experience our phenomena you imagine it

3520
02:36:00,279 --> 02:35:58,010
in your head you will manifest it out in

3521
02:36:03,250 --> 02:36:00,289
the physical realm and that is a very

3522
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:03,260
very disturbing experience and I've had

3523
02:36:07,569 --> 02:36:05,600
that many times Jean I hope you don't

3524
02:36:10,119 --> 02:36:07,579
mind me mentioning this but this is one

3525
02:36:12,729 --> 02:36:10,129
of my non sequiturs that I've talked

3526
02:36:15,309 --> 02:36:12,739
about is that I just simply did not have

3527
02:36:17,859 --> 02:36:15,319
an explanation for it but it was there

3528
02:36:20,289 --> 02:36:17,869
and I would see it and it's a bright

3529
02:36:22,029 --> 02:36:20,299
flash of light and I asked my wife I

3530
02:36:24,340 --> 02:36:22,039
said what is that she goes all of us an

3531
02:36:26,649 --> 02:36:24,350
angel that's looking out for you well of

3532
02:36:29,559 --> 02:36:26,659
course you know me and you know I just

3533
02:36:31,269 --> 02:36:29,569
like yeah whatever Nick Redfern Nick

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02:36:35,099 --> 02:36:31,279
Redfern tell her listeners where we can

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find more of the great stuff you do

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02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:08,569
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3550
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:15,109
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3551
02:37:18,729 --> 02:37:16,640
Congress and every other question he

3552
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I remember look at the Yeti blackout

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